The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

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	Yes, and yes plus heard about many examples from family and friends- as well as of course so many examples in the Press and news. Some were experiences from family who didn't witness it - but were the culprits. And you don't have to get the Daily Mail or the Sun to see their hate headlines, day in, day out.

Gosh, I better take care, will be flying into both Manchester & Birmingham in the next 2 weeks, do you think its safe to go?

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	Yes, and yes plus heard about many examples from family and friends- as well as of course so many examples in the Press and news. Some were experiences from family who didn't witness it - but were the culprits. And you don't have to get the Daily Mail or the Sun to see their hate headlines, day in, day out.

Sounds like hearsay to me.

Would you like you share an example of a xenophobic attack you experienced or witnessed since last June, and tell us what you did about it?

I've been back since December and my home town voted leave. It's not known for being backwards in coming forwards and... no obvious xenophobia there. Or latent, either. I've friends far and wide, not heard anything about this kind of behaviour either. We can't all be living in a bubble. And some of them are not white. Ssh...

Obviously the next two years are going to be... interesting. I wonder how many folk will claim Scottish residency if it comes to it.

[McTAVGE]

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	I've been back since December and my home town voted leave. It's not known for being backwards in coming forwards and... no obvious xenophobia there. Or latent, either. I've friends far and wide, not heard anything about this kind of behaviour either. We can't all be living in a bubble. And some of them are not white. Ssh... Obviously the next two years are going to be... interesting. I wonder how many folk will claim Scottish residency if it comes to it.

We're not having all those Southerners/immigrants from England coming up to take our land!

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	We're not having all those Southerners/immigrants from England coming up to take our land!

I'm Scottish by marriage, as my OH likes to tell me. Actually he likes to tell my MIL that as it winds her up mightily.

[fatmanfilms]

I have just eaten some New Zealand lamb in France, after some research this could be 33% plus cheaper in the Uk following BREXIT.

'Any sheep meat imports outside quota or from countries not covered by it, are subject to ad valorem tari s of 12.8%, plus a xed amount ranging from €902 to €3118 per tonne, depending on the cut. In many cases, this would be equivalent to an ad valorem tari of 50 per cent or more, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported sheep meat to compete with EU meat. This, in reality, makes any sheep meat outside of the quota uncompetitive on the EU market, so virtually all sheep meat is imported through the quota.'

[marton]

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	I have just eaten some New Zealand lamb in France, after some research this could be 33% plus cheaper in the Uk following BREXIT. 'Any sheep meat imports outside quota or from countries not covered by it, are subject to ad valorem tari s of 12.8%, plus a xed amount ranging from €902 to €3118 per tonne, depending on the cut. In many cases, this would be equivalent to an ad valorem tari of 50 per cent or more, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported sheep meat to compete with EU meat. This, in reality, makes any sheep meat outside of the quota uncompetitive on the EU market, so virtually all sheep meat is imported through the quota.'

But the UK plans to adopt the same (EU based) WTO tariffs so no chance of cheaper meat

[fatmanfilms]

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	But the UK plans to adopt the same (EU based) WTO tariffs so no chance of cheaper meat

Hopefully talks will break down so we can have a hard BREXIT & have zero tariffs, far better than being nice to attempt to save the EU.

[marton]

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	Hopefully talks will break down so we can have a hard BREXIT & have zero tariffs, far better than being nice to attempt to save the EU.

If the talks break down then the UK Govt. have already stated the fall back position will be WTO tariffs, read May's letter

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	Sounds like hearsay to me. Would you like you share an example of a xenophobic attack you experienced or witnessed since last June, and tell us what you did about it?

There is hearsay, and hearsay... the ones related to me were by good friends and relatives I can trust.

I am very lucky I didn't experience any on our recent visits- probably because we didn't visit places where many East Europeans are now living. I witnessed several people we visited making clearly racist remarks they would have never seen as acceptable before. No heroics from me/us- but we did both say their comments were totally unacceptable. Friends have visited Boston and Skegness lately, and they said underlying racism was palpable and barely concealed. But I am not asking you to believe me, or them.

As far as the cover of the newspapers like the Daily Mail, Express and Sun- well, they are there for all to see. Day after day, any visit to newsagents and the racist headlines are there, again and again.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	If the talks break down then the UK Govt. have already stated the fall back position will be WTO tariffs, read May's letter

No reason not to do individual deals with non EU countries, the Commonwealth will be up for it as will the rest of the world.

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	There is hearsay, and hearsay... the ones related to me were by good friends and relatives I can trust. I am very lucky I didn't experience any on our recent visits- probably because we didn't visit places where many East Europeans are now living. I witnessed several people we visited making clearly racist remarks they would have never seen as acceptable before. No heroics from me/us- but we did both say their comments were totally unacceptable. Friends have visited Boston and Skegness lately, and they said underlying racism was palpable and barely concealed. But I am not asking you to believe me, or them. As far as the cover of the newspapers like the Daily Mail, Express and Sun- well, they are there for all to see. Day after day, any visit to newsagents and the racist headlines are there, again and again.

Thats hearsay Odile......... like your French friend you were going to give the money top pay the bet from on Thursday, but later changed the story to someone who owed you money

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	I didn't think I had to give you dates and explain why, although it was agreed to be paid in principle, due to my friends holiday the cheque will actually go on Thursday as she had to cancel last Thursday's lessons at last minute.

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	But I paid up all the same and quite a bit more... but FMF will never, ever see a receipt and can't trace the payment as it was done by a French friend who owed me money. Ironically it was 50 % for a film and 50% to the Imad association. I would have paid the money in any case, such a great cause.

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	There is hearsay, and hearsay... the ones related to me were by good friends and relatives I can trust. I am very lucky I didn't experience any on our recent visits- probably because we didn't visit places where many East Europeans are now living. I witnessed several people we visited making clearly racist remarks they would have never seen as acceptable before. No heroics from me/us- but we did both say their comments were totally unacceptable. Friends have visited Boston and Skegness lately, and they said underlying racism was palpable and barely concealed. But I am not asking you to believe me, or them. As far as the cover of the newspapers like the Daily Mail, Express and Sun- well, they are there for all to see. Day after day, any visit to newsagents and the racist headlines are there, again and again.

So you didn't actually witness or experience any xenophobic attacks, as you claimed earlier.

Thought not.

Read again, I didn't. I personally witnessed people making racist comments- not racist attacks.

Relatives I've known for 47 years- and who never would have dreamnt of doing so before. And also people in a café, and neighbours- who made racist comments as if it was quite 'normal' and expected us to feel the same- and were quite offended when they realised we do not.

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	Read again, I didn't. I personally witnessed people making racist comments- not racist attacks. Relatives I've known for 47 years- and who never would have dreamnt of doing so before. And also people in a café, and neighbours- who made racist comments as if it was quite 'normal' and expected us to feel the same- and were quite offended when they realised we do not.

You must have led an extremely sheltered life in the United Kingdom - especially in Leicestershire! - if you never heard anyone making racist comments before last June.

And anyway, we were talking about xenophobic attacks:

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	Anyone who denies that there has been a huge rise in racial attacks or every kind in the UK since last year, and in particular after June- is either totally deluded or completely out of touch with real life in the UK

You haven't witnessed any. You're just going off what you've read in the papers. That's fine.

But don't blame any of it on Brexit because the causal link does not objectively exist.

Me: here in Hampshire.. nothing! Seriously, no Brexit racist frenzy I have witnessed.. nor incidents mentioned on the local news, tho' have not seen the news in a couple of nights. I've been told I have an Irish accent, sometimes it's a Canadian accent, so no, not had anything thrown at me i.e. go back to where you came from, or such like.. in Ireland I have an english accent (can't win) and funnily enough some folk don't like english accents in NornIron so I have been known to speak with a thick Limerick accent much to the amusement of my OH, and the confusion of everyone else.

When living in London in the 90s often heard ignorant paki comments out and about. Switzerland, yep casual nasty xenophobic stuff over the years mostly against eastern europeans. Ah, Ireland loves its bigots - such a warm, lovely crowd when they get going.. then there's the special verbal venom directed towards Dub folks by the rest of the country. In county Dublin many north African folks have settled in Balbriggan and the local Irish folks renamed it black balbriggan.. nice wee town for a spot of racism, eh?

Some of it's banter, some of it's nasty and it's everywhere.. no different today.

[TobiasM]

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	But you said: This implies that those of us who voted to leave did so because we were lied to or that we are small minded and racist. I object to that rather lazy characterisation as I am neither ignorant (as I say: I did a lot of reading in the run up to the referendum. Have you ever read the Maastricht Treaty? ), nor particularly racist (unlike, say, the European Commission which produce films like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SYwV9034kM ). You are perfectly entitled to believe that I made the wrong decision, but I object to the suggestion that I - and millions of other Leave voters - did so because we are ignorant or racist.

Yes, I guess we are not friends now, oh shame!

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	Yes, I guess we are not friends now, oh shame!

I tend not to be friends with bigots anyway, so you shouldn't have got your hopes up.

[amogles]

It would seem that Juncker is now seeking revenge over Brexit.

His plan is to dismantle the USA.

Good luck with that Jean Claude.

And happy April 1st (which seems to have come a day early this year).

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/0...te-break-usa/#

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...-offer-support

[Pachyderm]

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	I am very lucky I didn't experience any on our recent visits- probably because we didn't visit places where many East Europeans are now living.

Yes, that must definitely be the reason why you didn't experience any racist attacks. As you say, you were very very lucky indeed to have dodged all the racist violence that we all know has now become an everyday feature of life in broken Brexit Britain, even though the mainstream media are trying to hush it up.

In my seven visits to the UK since last June 23, like you, I've been incredibly fortunate not to have suffered from, witnessed, or heard about, the xenophobic anarchy that's happening in most streets all over the nation. Right now. As we speak.

Something must be done.

[davebergie]

I have just come across this thread and it now has 400+ pages, which I don't have a lifetime to wade through!

What is the consensus on what the restrictions for Brits will be in CH after Brexit. Is it going to be like Australians, who can only come for three months, do we think?