The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	McTAVGE
	Won't there be enough "nationals" willing to get up at the crack of dawn to go and wipe old people's bottom for the minimum wage?

I do love this perpetual stereotype of the lazy, feckless indigenous working classes. These oiks really ought to know their place, what?

Don't worry McTAVGE- they have got a solution for the NHS- they are taking people off the streets and fast-tracking them as nurses so that will be OK then.


They did a recent documentary in East Anglia with farmers who employ mainly Polish and other East Europeans to tend to crops and pick them.

They took on several men of different ages (but all fit) from the local unemployment office to give them a work trial. It was very interesting, to say the least.

DB - the huge problem which is NOT being taken seriously by anyone- is that the loss of traditional industries, be it steel or textiles, or mining- has gone, and gone forever. Even the jobs in the car industries require people who are well trained for the job. But at the end of the day, it is automation that will create the real crisis of the not so distant future. The biggest threat to our society is how to address this. What do you do with the people who worked in those industries- and did a brilliant job of it- but are now not really suitable for modern production. I had a group of friends in Leicester who were all ex textile girls- they used to tell me how they all left school at 14 barely able to read and count- but it didn't matter. Then went straight to the local textile manfacturer and got a job the next day- some of them climbed up the ladder and became supervisors- and it was all jolly and grand. What now?

The farmers in East Anglia said clearly, that due to the pressure of supermarket and consumer demand for cheaper and cheaper food- AT THE MOMENT- they can still survive by employing people form Eastern Europe cheaply, who are prepared to work really hard in all weathers, and will ensure the job is done properly (supermarket will reject any boxes that contain 11 lettuces instead of 12, etc.. and if it happens often will switch to another supplier). He said if he can't get cheap labour, who are prepared to live in very simple conditions and do the job well- then it will either mean closing down- or have automated picking and packing. That is the reality out there. And no-one has any answers- neither the Left, because there is no way they can bring the jobs back for their members- nor the right, or even the centre.

Yup, feckless, thick lazy bastards the lot of them. Can't be trained. Animals! I saw it on the telly so it must be true.

[marton]

	Quote:	McTAVGE
	Won't there be enough "nationals" willing to get up at the crack of dawn to go and wipe old people's bottom for the minimum wage?

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	I do love this perpetual stereotype of the lazy, feckless indigenous working classes. These oiks really ought to know their place, what?

Well the NHS has 26,000 nursing vacancies and there are 1.5 Million unemployed in the UK so I am sure the NHS will fill their vacancies in no time

If not, then DB what is your explanation?

	Quote:	marton
	Well the NHS has 26,000 nursing vacancies and there are 1.5 Million unemployed in the UK so I am sure the NHS will fill their vacancies in no time If not, then DB what is your explanation?

I told you. The working classes are lazy and stupid.

Even Odile agrees with me, so it must be true.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Well the NHS has 26,000 nursing vacancies and there are 1.5 Million unemployed in the UK so I am sure the NHS will fill their vacancies in no time If not, then DB what is your explanation?

Benefits are too high is the problem, why bother working......... rents & property prices are too high because of housing benefits, help to buy & historically low interest rates. Stop the subsidies & people will only pay what they can afford, sitting at home for ones working life should not be an option..

[nickatbasel]

Unemployed people are all fatties with tattoos who sit around in designer tracksuits watching Jeremy Kyle on flat screen tellies in-between eating takeaway curries. Bring back the workhouses is what I say.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Benefits are too high is the problem, why bother working......... rents & property prices are too high because of housing benefits, help to buy & historically low interest rates. Stop the subsidies & people will only pay what they can afford, sitting at home for ones working life should not be an option..

[McTAVGE]

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	I do love this perpetual stereotype of the lazy, feckless indigenous working classes. These oiks really ought to know their place, what?

Not stereotyping (DB, you are well wound up mate!), but the reality of these jobs. A couple of (adult) children of friends of ours did it because they'd drop out of their studies, and yes, there are a lot of shite jobs out there, paid with kick in the butt and not much job protection. They are essential jobs, though and, judging by the number of vacancies regularly re-advertised in local rags, not many people are willing to take them on.


I wouldn't, and I've done some crap jobs in my young adult life!

[McTAVGE]

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	Yup, feckless, thick lazy bastards the lot of them. Can't be trained. Animals! I saw it on the telly so it must be true.

Have you been watching "Britain's got talent" again?

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	You just want to see the United Kingdom humiliated, don't you?

All over TV and newspapers today. With clear message that May is prepared to go to war over Gibraltar- eg one Nato country against another. And the comparison with the Falklands is not made by me at all- it's all out there- with twitter and social media full of 'the Argies better watch out now we are free to do what we want' etc.

Tragic and dangerous beyond belief. What a way to enter negotiations

As for myself wantint to 'humiliate the UK' - this is beyond contempt. I/we have everything to lose - with our children and grandchildren there, family and best friends- and we probably will have to go back to live in UK at some point.

Unlike those who have made it plain 'Blighty is not for them' - from the comfort of their Swiss mountain views and high salaries.

I've probably lived and loved the UK for a lot longer than some of you born and bred there. And yes, it breaks my heart to see what is happening. The EDL in the streets of London creating havoc with anti-Muslim posters- and on the same day, a young asylum seeker, just a kid- beaten to a pulp by a gang. Anyone who tells me that the constant in you face first racist page of the Mail, or the Sun - has no influence on this- is deluded.

[marton]

	Quote:	nickatbasel
	Unemployed people are all fatties with tattoos who sit around in designer tracksuits watching Jeremy Kyle on flat screen tellies in-between eating takeaway curries. Bring back the workhouses is what I say.

And body piercings.

Luckily the metal scrap value is high

[marton]

	Quote:	McTAVGE
	Not stereotyping (DB, you are well wound up mate!), but the reality of these jobs. A couple of (adult) children of friends of ours did it because they'd drop out of their studies, and yes, there are a lot of shite jobs out there, paid with kick in the butt and not much job protection. They are essential jobs, though and, judging by the number of vacancies regularly re-advertised in local rags, not many people are willing to take them on. I wouldn't, and I've done some crap jobs in my young adult life!

I have a Swiss friend who was the manageress of the in house restaurant for the HQ of a major Swiss firm.
They outsourced the catering and as she was over 50 was unable to find a similar job.
So she took a course and now gets up early and wipes bottoms in the local old people's home.

[Blueangel]

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	Unlike those who have made it plain 'Blighty is not for them' - from the comfort of their Swiss mountain views and high salaries.

There's a British expats in Spain facebook page that stuns me with how ridiculous the posts are.

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	The EDL in the streets of London creating havoc with anti-Muslim posters- and on the same day, a young asylum seeker, just a kid- beaten to a pulp by a gang.

Totally with you on the young lad who was beaten up, but the protest near Westminster was tiny when viewed from a higher vantage point than some members of the media used. I don't get why they would want to portray the numbers as being more than the few dozen knuckle draggers that they were.

There were 150 marchers for Britain First in London on Saturday.

One hundred and fifty.

Brexit Britain!

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	Unlike those who have made it plain 'Blighty is not for them' - from the comfort of their Swiss mountain views and high salaries.

Nice. You know I've lost my job, but you still have to get a dig in about "high salaries".

Some of us only have one passport, you know. I, too, might have to return to England at some point, except unlike you I might not be able to take my family with me.

You have no idea how privileged you are, Odile. No idea at all.

[marton]

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	Nice. You know I've lost my job, but you still have to get a dig in about "high salaries". Some of us only have one passport, you know. I, too, might have to return to England at some point, except unlike you I might not be able to take my family with me. You have no idea how privileged you are, Odile. No idea at all.

"You know I've lost my job" Did not know, sorry to hear that. I was fired at age 52 in UK and then twice more by different Swiss firms, you just have to keep trucking.

"I, too, might have to return to England at some point, except I might not be able to take my family with me." Me too, unexpected side effect of Brexit

[amogles]

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	There were 150 marchers for Britain First in London on Saturday. One hundred and fifty. Brexit Britain!

I thought that lot had stopped existing or joined ukip or Isis or got jobs with Bilag or something similarly perverse. How dare people continue existing after the press stops talking about them.

What needs to stop is people thinking UK pre Brexit: wonderful and UK post Brexit: disaster. Everything that happens from here on in will have *you see, Brexit did this* stamp on it when in fact it was happening anyway and we were well on our way to more despair.

The wonderful magical money world of the EU was awful for many in the UK as globalisation didn’t reach very far, not to the poor and working class.. but we were told over and over austerity is necessary to get the country back on its feet and the well-behaved gullible masses believed 8 jobs knob head Osbourne while he stripped away essential services and destroyed the basics needed by the working class, the immigrants and refugees alike to keep themselves upright and on an even keel.

It’s okay for people to believe the bollix back then but now suddenly we are a country of morons? So was everyone lied to about the benefits of brexit, yes absolutely.. were we always lied to re austerity and money earmarked for housing/education/NHS/mental care, yes absolutely.. but for folks to call people morons now for listening to brexit lies as opposed to the decades of the usual trotted-out lies is at best disingenuous and at worse downright nasty, not to mention hateful, stupid and ignorant.

Theresa May continues with the good old tory tradition of lies, lies and more lies: Osborne’s austerity policies are being newly implemented to this day. Despair along with racism and xenophobia were already firmly set in the UK well before Brexit came along.. and, I daresay, will continue well after.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Well the NHS has 26,000 nursing vacancies and there are 1.5 Million unemployed in the UK so I am sure the NHS will fill their vacancies in no time If not, then DB what is your explanation?

If you were sick, would you really want to have someone looking after you, who might not be suitable for the job and does not want to be there, in charge of your care....

[chrissie7]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Benefits are too high is the problem, why bother working......... rents & property prices are too high because of housing benefits, help to buy & historically low interest rates. Stop the subsidies & people will only pay what they can afford, sitting at home for ones working life should not be an option..

Not this myth of high benefits again! Anyone who loses their job in Switzerland should count their lucky stars they don't live in the UK. I don't think anyone would call jobseekers allowance (or income support) of £73/week as too high. Everything is means tested, such as housing benefit (which normally does not cover 100% rent) council tax, child support, etc. If you have a mortgage, nothing is paid for the first 39 weeks and then only a portion of the interest.

At least here unemployment benefit is an insurance and not part of the social security system - ie, it is a right. Most people can live on 70% or 80% of their former salary and it is paid for up to two years.