The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	If the UK were to vote to leave, I would say there is a very high probability of this. Juncker is correct in saying that there will be very little goodwill towards the UK in negotiations, particularly as the benefits of such a deal with not be uniformly enjoyed by the member states. I would expect that eastern states will be under pressure to veto any deal that does not in some way benefit their citizens who have in the past moved to the UK or who were expecting to move there. Such a veto would simply lead to the two year period expiring without an deal. Furthermore with all the pressing issues facing the EU, I would expect that what happens to a former member state will rank fourth or fifth down the list of priorities. As for the negotiations, I'd imagine the UK negotiation team will be presented with three options: - Accept WTO trading rules - Join the EEA - Full membership of the EU Which do you want??? Which clearly means there is only one option....

There's never been goodwill towards the UK. I don't expect that to change.

The baseline will be WTO.

I expect there will be sufficient self-interest on both sides to strike a free trade agreement, but if not, then clearly it would be better not to have a free trade deal if there is no mutual benefit.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Of my experience growing up in Ireland I would say constitutional referenda is what pulls a lot of young people in as it appeals to their ideals and aspirations from the country rather than party politics.

Exactly!

Party politics is the big turn off. That's when you hear the lines...
"They're all as bad as each other."
"Why bother voting when nothing ever changes."

The political turn on is when people feel they don't have a say on a single issue or when they finally do have a say.

Now just a wild card thought...

One of the main issues for Brexit is that the EU Commision isn't voted for, therefore, is undemocratic. Could that concern be raised with the PM and instead of the sitting PM of the day putting forward the British EU Commisionair, the selection is put to public vote? Would people be prepared to vote on who is selected?

[Phil_MCR]

Remain a dead cert? The bookies and betting public seem to think so:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e4f4cb5c-1...46770ec15.html

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Unless you sign up you can't see the FT article. Try this one:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-br...-idUSKCN0YC0E8

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	One of the main issues for Brexit is that the EU Commision isn't voted for, therefore, is undemocratic. Could that concern be raised with the PM and instead of the sitting PM of the day putting forward the British EU Commisionair, the selection is put to public vote? Would people be prepared to vote on who is selected?

No, because it might actually do more damage than good! Countries get to propose commissioners, but the elected parliament decides if they get appointed or not. Imaging the fun that would ensue, if the parliament rejected the proposed commissioner...

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	No, because it might actually do more damage than good! Countries get to propose commissioners, but the elected parliament decides if they get appointed or not. Imaging the fun that would ensue, if the parliament rejected the proposed commissioner...

Just for the sake of absolute clarity...

If an MEP who is in favour of Brexit says that the EU is ruled over by the 'unelected' members of the EU Commission, that MEP would be saying so in the full knowledge that they belong to the only group of people who have a say if they are appointed or not?

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Just for the sake of absolute clarity... If an MEP who is in favour of Brexit says that the EU is ruled over by the 'unelected' members of the EU Commission, that MEP would be saying so in the full knowledge that they belong to the only group of people who have a say if they are appointed or not?

The European Parliament overwhelmingly rejected Slovenia’s nominee to the new European Commission in October 2014, in a stinging rebuke to Jean-Claude Juncker, the incoming president who personally selected her to become one of his vice presidents.

In a vote of 112 to 13, with two abstentions, the parliament’s environment and energy committees voted that Alenka Bratusek, a former prime minister, was not qualified to become a commissioner.
The rejection followed a confirmation hearing in which she failed to show a mastery of her new portfolio, where she would have led Mr Juncker’s efforts to create an EU energy union.

In addition to its role in approving a new Commissioner, the European Parliament has the power at any time to force the entire Commission to resign through a vote of no confidence. This requires a vote that makes up at least two-thirds of those voting and a majority of the total membership of the Parliament.
While it has never used this power, it threatened to use it against the Commission headed by Jacques Santer in 1999 over allegations of corruption. In response, the Santer Commission resigned en masse of its own accord, the only time a Commission has done so.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Marton
	In addition to its role in approving a new Commissioner, the European Parliament has the power at any time to force the entire Commission to resign through a vote of no confidence. This requires a vote that makes up at least two-thirds of those voting and a majority of the total membership of the Parliament.

Baring this in mind, would that mean or imply that Nigel Farage's comments on the matter are less than accurate and construed to fit his agenda? I mean...he's been ban ging on about them being unelected and conveniently neglecting to mention that he does have a say in the matter. Why isn't Cameron screaming this from the roof tops? He had the opportunity on Peston On Sunday fell shy of it.

I'm not going to comment on Priti Patel. Actually despise her more than Farage.

	Quote:
	UKIP leader and MEP Nigel Farage regularly accuses EU officials of being "unelected" while on Tuesday Conservative minister Priti Patel described the EU as "having undemocratic institutions."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/is-the...ocratic-2016-3

[AbFab]

Sorry if this was posted before but we are page 40 something.

This sums it all up:

How does this work?

[Sbrinz]

Henning Wehn has views on the subject, http://nosolidarity.eu/

the five Brexit scenarios, http://nosolidarity.eu/the-five-scenarios-for-brexit/

[lewton]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	Remain a dead cert? The bookies and betting public seem to think so: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e4f4cb5c-1...46770ec15.html

Let me set this straight: if you guys (talking to the Brits now) vote to stay in the EU, can you please stop whining every time something happens?
Thanks in advance.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	lewton
	Let me set this straight: if you guys (talking to the Brits now) vote to stay in the EU, can you please stop whining every time something happens? Thanks in advance.

Sorry, whining is a national pasttime.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	Sorry, whining is a national pasttime.

For the French.

[hairybadger]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	Sorry, whining is a national pasttime.

We're hardly the only nation to have that as a national sport

[marton]

	Quote:	lewton
	Let me set this straight: if you guys (talking to the Brits now) vote to stay in the EU, can you please stop whining every time something happens? Thanks in advance.

Well due to global warming we are hoping to see more vineyards

Now, whoever thinks this guy will actually help the remain camp needs shooting. Did nobody learn ANYTHING from the last election?

[Deep Purple]

	Quote:	marton
	Well due to global warming we are hoping to see more vineyards

It is happening already

	Quote:
	Taittinger is to become the first French champagne house to produce fizz in the UK after investing in a former Kent apple orchard. The company has teamed up with British wine agents Hatch Mansfield and private investors to buy 69 hectares of farmland near Chilham and expects to fill its first bottles in five years. In a £4m investment plan, the first 40 hectares at Selling Court farm will be planted with chardonnay, pinot noir and pinot meunier grapes in 2017 to produce English sparkling wine – only fizz produced in the Champagne region of France can carry the title.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...g-wine-in-kent

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Now, whoever thinks this guy will actually help the remain camp needs shooting. Did nobody learn ANYTHING from the last election?

maybe they took a leaf out of the trump playbook...

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Deep Purple
	It is happening already https://www.theguardian.com/business...g-wine-in-kent

smart move. good quality fizz and avoid paying tariffs if no free trade deal post brexit

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Now, whoever thinks this guy will actually help the remain camp needs shooting. Did nobody learn ANYTHING from the last election?

What's your problem with Eddie Izzard?