The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

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	Do you know what the situation would be with the other islands which are part of the UK but not part of it, if you know what I mean. For example, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands? I know at least the IOM has its own governance but not sure if this would have any effect when it comes to the departure from the EU.

I understand that legally the IoM is a fully independent nation, bound only to the Uk by virtue of having the Queen as head of state, having a monetary and customs union with the U.K. And also having an agreement by which the uk handles ambassadorial duties on behalf of the IoM. They are also in the CTA with Iteland and the U.K. If Ireland were to leave the CTA I assume a successor agreement would be made with the IoM.

The Channel Islands are slightly different I think, but not sure of the details.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	amogles
	If Spain has turned around, then that would indicate that either they believe it won't happen anyway, or that they think they can prevent the domino effect.

Or they realise that Scotland can joint the EFTA/EEA, get the status they need and there is SFA that Spain can do about.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	amogles
	If Ireland were to leave the CTA I assume a successor agreement would be made with the IoM.

Under the treaty provisions it no longer is an If, it is a when. When the UK exits, presumable in two years, the treaty conditions will no longer exist to allow Ireland to continue as a CTA member. As it requires a treaty change, it cannot be agreed at the exit negotiations, the best that can be hoped for is an agreement to propose a change at some later date.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	I believe such an action of closing EU external borders would be contrary to EU laws or as a minimum would require EU approval/agreement?

The border will have to be enforced in any case because it will become a border with a third country! The EU cannot be expected to treat the UK in anyway differently to other third countries without some kind of agreement, otherwise all other third countries would have a valid claim that they are not being treated the same.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	The border will have to be enforced in any case because it will become a border with a third country! The EU cannot be expected to treat the UK in anyway differently to other third countries without some kind of agreement, otherwise all other third countries would have a valid claim that they are not being treated the same.

Both the EU and UK have more or less said that this border will remain unaffected and that they want this matter dealt with as a matter of priority. The UK will be treated differently because unlike other countries, the UK was already a member of the EU.

[marton]

A MEMBER of Gibraltar’s monkey population feels more European than British, he has confirmed.

Source

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Both the EU and UK have more or less said that this border will remain unaffected and that they want this matter dealt with as a matter of priority. The UK will be treated differently because unlike other countries, the UK was already a member of the EU.

Considering the fact that EU refused to any kind of talks before article 50 I'd like to see your source for that.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Considering the fact that EU refused to any kind of talks before article 50 I'd like to see your source for that.

Brexit: UK and EU seek alternative to hard Irish border

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Brexit: UK and EU seek alternative to hard Irish border

From your link

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	So the main players all share the will to prevent a hard border but the caveats in their language suggest they have not yet found a way.

So it is no more than a wish at this time, not a commitment as you wrote "Both the EU and UK have more or less said that this border will remain unaffected"

	Quote:	marton
	So it is no more than a wish at this time, not a commitment as you wrote "Both the EU and UK have more or less said that this border will remain unaffected"

Also from that link:

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	"It will cost us a lot of work on technology to maintain border control on goods but without having border posts, but that's what we intend to do."

Meaning they're looking at some form of e-border. So whatever they claim there will be a hard border, just not one that is actually manned. Sounds like a potentially wonderful money making opportunity for the Irish on both sides.

As usual they're trying to skirt round the fact that if the UK leaves the Single Market a customs border of some form is unavoidable. Controls on people, otoh, are down to the UK and Eire bilaterally.

Well, here is the view from a Swiss, well half Swiss:

https://youtu.be/uNsxCU0glHw

as for jingoism and sabre rattling- please Google the front page of today's Sun Tragic, really .

[Jim2007]

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	Controls on people, otoh, are down to the UK and Eire bilaterally.

This is not the case. Once the UK leaves the EU, Ireland can no longer participate in such an agreement as it would no longer be an agreement between member states - this is specifically covered by the treaties.

[st2lemans]

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	as for jingoism and sabre rattling- please Google the front page of today's Sun

Alas, couldn't find anything that fits that description.

Tom

[pdofr]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Alas, couldn't find anything that fits that description.

Scroll down BBC - Today's Papers to the Sun's entry.

(Unpleasant memories for me of seeing German TV's images of The Sun's front pages during the Falklands War)

Full Sun Article

https://www.facebook.com/LBC/videos/10154898379726558/

and yesterday a thug gets cleared to murder and even manslaughter for killing a young Czech with a bicycle chain when high on booze and canabis - no wonder the Czechs are disgusted at the judgement

[st2lemans]

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Tom

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Tom

As you're an outsider, I can well understand how you find it hilarious. I just see 'Gibraltar Campaign', which is reminiscent of the Falklands Campaign, and 'Free poster inside'. FFS! It's just marketed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Murdoch strikes again, the effin owd conman coffin dodger.

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Tom

It's nice to see they have already moved to a post Brexit keyboard with no Tilde key.

[Blueangel]

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	The Royal Navy has chased a Spanish patrol ship out of British waters off the coast of Gibraltar after an illegal incursion.

http://news.sky.com/story/spanish-gu...altar-10824884

Of course, many senior politicians warned of the great risk for Gibraltar, and other territories, during the campaign. The response was 'ignore scare mongering'.

Howard has probably caused more damage re future negotiations, than any other leaver, even Farage- in a few minutes. Well done ...