The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

This belongs on the pile of 'What has the EU ever done for the UK?' along with the estimated £21.5million restoration fund after the Manchester bombing. Don't think it will make the pages of The Sun though.

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	Britain will get 60 million euros (51.3 million pounds) from the European Union to repair damage caused by the floods last year, a lawmaker said on Tuesday. Britain had asked for EU support to rebuild infrastructure damaged by heavy rains in the winter of 2015-16. European Parliament lawmakers will approve the grants on Wednesday, clearing the way for the funds to be disbursed, parliament officials said. "When one member state has a problem, others actively collaborate and help. The UK will benefit from EU solidarity despite Brexit and the triggering of Article 50", said the lawmaker in charge of the dossier, Spanish conservative José Manuel Fernandes.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN1761EK

	Quote:	Blueangel
	This belongs on the pile of 'What has the EU ever done for the UK?' along with the estimated £21.5million restoration fund after the Manchester bombing. Don't think it will make the pages of The Sun though. http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN1761EK

Of all the arguments that were brought up by the remain camp this has to be the lamest of them all. IF the UK was a net taker from the EU it may hold some water. However the UK is a net contributor so it falls on its arse.

Allow me to illustrate. UK gives the EU £200 million, the EU says thank you very much, we'll use £150 million to build motorways in Slovakia, now you can have £50 million to appease some people who built their houses on flood plains.

How on earth is this supposed to be a good deal?

Some swearing but really - the UK goes wild about a made up story about Cadbury's eggs- whilst Mrs May is grovelling in Saudi Arabia?

Kaneing: The Cadbury Easter Egg Scandal.

https://www.facebook.com/officialrus...2710252470624/

[McTAVGE]

But now that the Tories will be taking over and have sovereignty as to how much is spent where, we'll see their altruistic, environmental and social mind set finally come to fruition...

[McTAVGE]

Are these figures as reliable as the millions the Tories said they were going to re inject into the NHS?

Sure - like my young friend with 2 little children, one of whom is disabled- who lost her husband tragically last year and who is so worried that she will lose part of disability benefit + the allowance for losing a parent for the kids.

She is not so optimistic

[McTAVGE]

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	Sure - like my young friend with 2 little children, one of whom is disabled- who lost her husband tragically last year and who is so worried that she will lose part of disability benefit + the allowance for losing a parent for the kids. She is not so optimistic

Or my sister in law who has been 3/4 bed ridden for 10 years with acute ME, cannot wash or dress herself and has now seen her disability benefit slashed, home help reduced by half...

[McTAVGE]

Ahhh, Saudi Arabia and now the Philippines:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...odrigo-duterte


The freedom, all these shared values away from the evil EU. Rejoyce!

[st2lemans]

Apparently Brexit is nothing new: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-envi...494740?SThisFB

Tom

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	McTAVGE
	Ahhh, Saudi Arabia and now the Philippines: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...odrigo-duterte The freedom, all these shared values away from the evil EU. Rejoyce!

Must be very encouraging for Spain - seeing how low Liam Fox is willing to go in search of the deal...

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	How on earth is this supposed to be a good deal?

It is not a good deal in economic terms, but then it never was intended to be one. It sounds like part of the structural funds agreement and at the end of the day the commitment was made by the government elected by the UK.

If UK voters were not happy with the decisions their government were making then they should have reacted. At the end of the day it is up to them to hold their representatives accountable.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Of all the arguments that were brought up by the remain camp this has to be the lamest of them all. IF the UK was a net taker from the EU it may hold some water. However the UK is a net contributor so it falls on its arse. Allow me to illustrate. UK gives the EU £200 million, the EU says thank you very much, we'll use £150 million to build motorways in Slovakia, now you can have £50 million to appease some people who built their houses flood plains. How on earth is this supposed to be a good deal?

You oversimplify!
The EU provided a lot of services which were not individually identified and charged to UK.
Now the UK has to set up and staff services to replace those that were done "free" by the EU.

Nobody seems to have a full list or know which ones like Euratom will definitely need to be replaced; examples are,
European Medicines Agency
European Maritime Safety Agency
European Union Intellectual Property Office
European Aviation Safety Agency
European Fisheries Control Agency
Eurocontrol Air Safety

The CBI employers’ organisation has estimated that Britain may need to set up domestic versions of as many as 34 EU regulatory agencies, covering areas such as agriculture, energy, transport and communications.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	McTAVGE
	But now that the Tories will be taking over and have sovereignty as to how much is spent where, we'll see their altruistic, environmental and social mind set finally come to fruition...

The plans to create a (corporate) tax haven seem to be real. This will have to be financed somehow, obviously it won't happen in a way detrimental to the Tory clientele.

When 'the people' realise what they were sold with all those lies- and they begin to see their lives affected even much more than under all the Tory cuts- I just cannot imagine what will happen

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Allow me to illustrate. UK gives the EU £200 million, the EU says thank you very much, we'll use £150 million to build motorways in Slovakia, now you can have £50 million to appease some people who built their houses flood plains. How on earth is this supposed to be a good deal?

Because the UK has a long history of ignoring the needs of anywhere outside London.

Yorkshire Post: Treasury scramble to find £600m for Yorkshire in wake of Brexit

P.S. On the flood plains thing, responsibility lies with a) the developers and b) the planning authorities. The folks who bought those houses were sold a dud.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	pdofr
	Because the UK has a long history of ignoring the needs of anywhere outside London. Yorkshire Post: Treasury scramble to find £600m for Yorkshire in wake of Brexit P.S. On the flood plains thing, responsibility lies with a) the developers and b) the planning authorities. The folks who bought those houses were sold a dud.

Perhaps people should take some personal responsibility as expected in CH, buying a house on a known flood plains, what could possibly go wrong? If people had to put up 20% of their own money to buy a house they would be more careful.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps people should take some personal responsibility as expected in CH, buying a house on a known flood plains, what could possibly go wrong? If people had to put up 20% of their own money to buy a house they would be more careful.

Exactly, that's why the Swiss public never pays for protection against flooding, effectively a subsidy to homeowners in the danger zones.

Oh wait ...

[pdofr]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps people should take some personal responsibility as expected in CH, buying a house on a known flood plains, what could possibly go wrong? If people had to put up 20% of their own money to buy a house they would be more careful.

That takes us back to property surveyors and the banks who lent the money. Both parties ignored the risks in favour of a quick buck.

Sub-prime lending wasn't just about lending to those likely to default. It included selling dodgy assets to those who weren't likely to default.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Of all the arguments that were brought up by the remain camp this has to be the lamest of them all. IF the UK was a net taker from the EU it may hold some water. However the UK is a net contributor so it falls on its arse. Allow me to illustrate. UK gives the EU £200 million, the EU says thank you very much, we'll use £150 million to build motorways in Slovakia, now you can have £50 million to appease some people who built their houses on flood plains. How on earth is this supposed to be a good deal?

You're not married, Loz, are you?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	pdofr
	That takes us back to property surveyors and the banks who lent the money. Both parties ignored the risks in favour of a quick buck. Sub-prime lending wasn't just about lending to those likely to default. It included selling dodgy assets to those who weren't likely to default.

The surveyor would mention risks, they always do about everything. The problem is reselling to a greater fool who does not exist.