The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[curley]

	Quote:	AbFab
	That pole at the top of every page is starting to annoy me! The clear winner "I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU" is not an option for voters and is never going to happen. If that was the UK's choice I'd support it. It isn't. The only choice is in or out. "In" means our standing will be even weaker than before the vote because the Euro-sceptics will have been silenced. I have no idea what "out" will mean. But it will at least be the end of Cameron...

This is the one for those who don't want to take a decision they would have to take the responsibility for. It's also the "dangerous" group as they won't go voting at all because "what I want is not on the ballot-card, they do what they want anyway". Yet not voters are of great benefit for each side afterwards. The ins will claim, they were so happy with the EU that's why they didn't bother voting, the outs will say they were so frustrated with the EU they didn't think their vote would make a difference anyway.

[curley]

	Quote:	lewton
	In defence of the poll (as its creator ) it's not my fault if people vote for their imaginary preference.

Is there gonna be one of those on the real ballot-card too?
Maybe there should be as the non-voters would at least show up (and show their not happy with the EU now)

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	curley
	It's also the "dangerous" group as they won't go voting at all because "what I want is not on the ballot-card, they do what they want anyway".

It is on the ballot: it is the leave option.

[curley]

	Quote:	curley
	Yet not voters are of great benefit for each side afterwards. The ins will claim, they were so happy with the EU that's why they didn't bother voting, the outs will say they were so frustrated with the EU they didn't think their vote would make a difference anyway.

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	It is on the ballot: it is the leave option.

See what I mean?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	curley
	Yet not voters are of great benefit for each side afterwards. The ins will claim, they were so happy with the EU that's why they didn't bother voting, the outs will say they were so frustrated with the EU they didn't think their vote would make a difference anyway.

I'll be interested to see the voter turnout on this one because, amongst my friends and family, I'm pretty sure it will be 100%. They're even nagging me to make sure my postal vote application is all sorted, and the borough my my vote will be going to are being very pro-active. Had an email from them last week going into more detail on the voting options available and all the contact details I could ever wish for.

[Pachyderm]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'll be interested to see the voter turnout on this one because, amongst my friends and family, I'm pretty sure it will be 100%. They're even nagging me to make sure my postal vote application is all sorted, and the borough my my vote will be going to are being very pro-active. Had an email from them last week going into more detail on the voting options available and all the contact details I could ever wish for.

Yes, that will indeed be interesting. Voter turnout is expected to be lower than for a general election, according to the psephology community. Brexiters are apparently more resolute in voting intention than Remainers, so the lower the turnout, the better the chances for Leave.

As a Leaver myself, I must confess to being perversely encouraged by recent polls showing a surge of support for Remain. The more complacent the Remain side gets, the lower the turnout will be, and the better the prospects for Brexit.

As a democrat, I'd prefer a Brexit decision by 90% of a huge turnout, but I'll settle for 51:49 of a low turnout.

I wonder if this is what you meant by the "my my vote"?

[k_and_e]

Are most of the Brits in Switzerland already packing their stuff, just in case?
After all, residence permits are based on EU membership.

[Pachyderm]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Are most of the Brits in Switzerland already packing their stuff, just in case? After all, residence permits are based on EU membership.

Mine isn't. It's based on me having a job here, which in turn is based on me having a skill not widely available.

In the case of a Brexit, nothing will change overnight. There's a (minimum) two year negotiation period to discuss how to proceed.

[AbFab]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Are most of the Brits in Switzerland already packing their stuff, just in case? After all, residence permits are based on EU membership.

Ahh the fear campaign!

That's as daft as saying Brits will get priority over EU...

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	Pachyderm
	Mine isn't. It's based on me having a job here, which in turn is based on me having a skill not widely available. In the case of a Brexit, nothing will change overnight. There's a (minimum) two year negotiation period to discuss how to proceed.

Same here with the OH. He's a specialist and few people in the world have his skill set. And we arrived before the Free Movement Agreement was in force so being British/EU meant nothing.

[curley]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Are most of the Brits in Switzerland already packing their stuff, just in case? After all, residence permits are based on EU membership.

Ahhhh, an "in" scaring the people The bosses of the B's will have to "prove" that they (the B's) are more suited for the job than a Swiss would be when the permit needs renewal .... so make sure you're more suited e.g. work (harder) again, compliment the boss on his wife/car/whatever LOL.
The C's will stay here for ever and the ones with a Swiss husband/wife can just lean back.
You'll be treated like any other person from GB and it's ex-colonies

[hairybadger]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Are most of the Brits in Switzerland already packing their stuff, just in case? After all, residence permits are based on EU membership.

Personally I've made sure my bases are covered as far as possible by obtaining an Irish passport to which I've been entitled since birth (parent born in Northern Ireland) but haven't needed as such up until now.

The British press have been carrying articles recently about many (journalistic "many") others doing the same thing.

[Sbrinz]

Have you all seen this publication from the BBC? It does discuss the various facts, half truths, and down right lies.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36027205

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-poli...endum-35603388

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Scathing piece here on how the "progressive left" are terrified of change and therefore banging the drum for remain.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...0#.V0bXKvl97mF

In other news net migration to the UK up to 333,000 for 2015. Second highest ever.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36382199

[Sbrinz]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	In other news net migration to the UK up to 333,000 for 2015. Second highest ever. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36382199

A lot of the migration was non EU. From the article: the net migration figure for EU citizens was 184,000

The record number was about 6 months previously, so a slight reduction in migration this time? A better headline might be: !! Migration has reduced !!

[AbFab]

	Quote:	hairybadger
	Personally I've made sure my bases are covered as far as possible by obtaining an Irish passport to which I've been entitled since birth (parent born in Northern Ireland) but haven't needed as such up until now. The British press have been carrying articles recently about many (journalistic "many") others doing the same thing.

Everyone with a current UK passport will be carrying it with EU stars on it after the Brexit - for up to 10 years depending when it was issued...

[Pachyderm]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	A lot of the migration was non EU. From the article: the net migration figure for EU citizens was 184,000 The record number was about 6 months previously, so a slight reduction in migration this time? A better headline might be: !! Migration has reduced !!

Am I reading it wrong? Sure it is the rate of increase that might have reduced, not actual numbers of migrants?

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	A lot of the migration was non EU. From the article: the net migration figure for EU citizens was 184,000 The record number was about 6 months previously, so a slight reduction in migration this time? A better headline might be: !! Migration has reduced !!

Every 3 years one million more people to the UK. All wanting access to healthcare, schooling etc. The future doesn't look good.

For me anyhow, migration shouldn't be the key issue of the referendum as I doubt the current government could get a grip on it, in or out of the EU.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	curley
	Ahhhh, an "in" scaring the people The bosses of the B's will have to "prove" that they (the B's) are more suited for the job than a Swiss would be when the permit needs renewal .... so make sure you're more suited e.g. work (harder) again, compliment the boss on his wife/car/whatever LOL. The C's will stay here for ever and the ones with a Swiss husband/wife can just lean back. You'll be treated like any other person from GB and it's ex-colonies

Not about scaring anyone. I was just wondering if there would be some good deals in the sale section soon

[NotAllThere]

	Quote:	curley
	Is there gonna be one of those on the real ballot-card too?...

Nope. I know - I received mine yesterday and it's now in the post winging its way back to blighty.

An informal exit poll suggested a landslide victory for the remainers.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Are most of the Brits in Switzerland already packing their stuff, just in case? After all, residence permits are based on EU membership.

Not for me. Came in under the quota system, now have C permit.