The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	pdofr
	Who gave May a mandate for a hard Brexit anyway? It seems to me that it was her idea and her idea alone.

Well it seems that the DUP have decided that the U.K. is going to have a sensible BREXIT, although of course in keeping with tradition they have given no indication of what that means!

More and more questions are being asked now on this... and it truly begins to make total sense:

The EU Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive
comes into force in 2019 ..


surprise- what does that coincide with?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	More and more questions are being asked now on this... and it truly begins to make total sense: The EU Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive comes into force in 2019 .. surprise- what does that coincide with?

The UK parliament has already enacted a General Anti-Abuse Rule (“UK GAAR”) to counter egregious tax avoidance, some 3 years before the EU rule comes into force.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Well it seems that the DUP have decided that the U.K. is going to have a sensible BREXIT, although of course in keeping with tradition they have given no indication of what that means!

Define "sensible" ...

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	pdofr
	Define "sensible" ...

Read my post again... I said they have stuck with the tradition of not providing a definition, just like Soft Exit and Hard Exit...

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Read my post again... I said they have stuck with the tradition of not providing a definition, just like Soft Exit and Hard Exit...

It wasn't my intention to disagree with you. Your point is understood.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The UK parliament has already enacted a General Anti-Abuse Rule (“UK GAAR”) to counter egregious tax avoidance, some 3 years before the EU rule comes into force.

The latest form of that came into effect on 31 March 2017

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ti-abuse-rules

[Jim2007]

Seems like the DUP's definition of sensible includes staying out of the Customs Union.....

DUP wants out of EU customs union, says Ian Paisley jnr

He has also been advising people to get an Irish passport!

Apply for Irish passport if you can, advises DUP MP Ian Paisley

[marton]

Britain caved in to the EU on the opening day of the Brexit talks, when it agreed to settle its “divorce” before trying to negotiate a future trade deal.

In a major defeat, Brexit Secretary David Davis was forced to drop his central demand for the two strands of the negotiations to be staged in parallel, within hours of arriving in Brussels.

Last month, Mr Davis vowed to wage the “row of the summer” to secure immediate talks on a free trade agreement – predicting an early collapse if the EU refused to give way.

Source

Reality starts to set in

UK negotiations led by a lame duck PM with a fragile mandate and "supported" by negotiators who bluff and fail!

Prepare yourselves for a further series of "concessions"

The EU have carefully and professionally prepared the obstacle course

[Urs Max]

It's the same issue as with renegotiating the Bilatele's part on FMOP: It takes two, if either refuses there simply is no action.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	It's the same issue as with renegotiating the Bilatele's part on FMOP: It takes two, if either refuses there simply is no action.

FMOP cannot be negotiate on, it is a treaty provision and the only way to get a change on that is to have the 38 regional and national parliaments to approve it, plus hold referenda in Ireland, probably in Denmark and possibly in France as well. The best the EU side could do is to agree to propose a change and see what happens.

Much of what the U.K. wants is not within the powers of the EU side to grant. For example you can't be in a customs union with the EU and retain unrestricted rights to negotiate trade deals it is not workable and is prohibited by the WTO for the same reason. Similarly you can't have single market access without FMOP unless there is a treaty change and so on.

[Urs Max]

" the only way to get a change on that is to ..."
Meaning it can be changed (amended) indeed. Thank you for making my case.

Obviously both sides would need to agree on a proposal before trying to get it Ok'ed. Just as obviously that would require negotiations. Precondition to that, of course, is willingness by both sides to sit down and, indeed, negotiate. Which, if you care to scroll up, is exactly what I'm saying.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	" the only way to get a change on that is to ..." Meaning it can be changed (amended) indeed. Thank you for making my case. Obviously both sides would need to agree on a proposal before trying to get it Ok'ed. Just as obviously that would require negotiations. Precondition to that, of course, is willingness by both sides to sit down and, indeed, negotiate. Which, if you care to scroll up, is exactly what I'm saying.

Irish voters deciding the future of th U.K., Gerry Adams would have a field day! can't see anyone wanting to open that can of worms, especially the Irish Government.

	Quote:	marton
	Prepare yourselves for a further series of "concessions" The EU have carefully and professionally prepared the obstacle course

Prepare yourselves.. anything could happen

OK, let's put aside whether we are pro or anti Brexit - WHO but WHO from the Tory Cabinet would be capable of taking over. Do you really believe Mrs May would not have been ousted now- if any of them was merely wanting the job?? Really.

James O'Brien spot on again, nobody wants the job as they all know it is going to be a total disaster:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...edium=referral

David can take his glasses on, and off, and on, and off again- but it won't wash past Barnier- he will make mince meat of him- and it started from second 1...

[marton]

Theresa May is facing a landmark legal challenge over her proposed deal with the Democratic Unionist party on the grounds that it breaches the Good Friday agreement.

An experienced legal team, which has been involved in constitutional challenges, is planning to apply for a judicial review of the deal once it is announced, the Guardian has learned.

Source

Never ending story....

Should've listened to John, Theresa. He did warn you.

[marton]

The Democratic Unionist Party has reportedly told Theresa May that its support "can't be taken for granted" on the eve of the Queen's Speech.

Source

[koblenz]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Um, we already did. We voted LEAVE! For me that means no soft exit, no EEA status. We start afresh with the EU and the rest of the world.

Without the EU that should be!

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	I agree pdofr, I was extremely annoyed that the government didn't fast track the law to repeal the 15 year limit for voters abroad. If I could have I would have voted Leave, but wasn't allowed to.

Did you apply? I had already been out of the UK for more than 15 years yet my application to vote in the referendum was successful as I was not wiped off the electoral roll for years after leaving. So I voted. I don't vote in the elections however. But I did think it was important to get the UK out of the EU.

[Sbrinz]

A never ending story indeed. You couldn't make this up could you? Everyone running around and shouting out their opinions, but very few having any idea of the laws, the rules, or the consequences.

But still it sells newspapers, from which most people seem to form their opinions.