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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 02.07.2017, 22:15
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I thought we'd come to that conclusion a while a go.

Given the bilateral requirements, it is unlikely that the Swiss can offer no more that it does for US and Canadian citizens. And if they were to somehow find a way around they could expect that other third countries would demand the same.
We did indeed reach that conclusion a while ago but this is the first time I saw any sort of "official" statement about this; maybe you have seen before?

I am sure the British Brexit supporters in EF have a cunning solution
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Old 03.07.2017, 00:51
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I am sure the British Brexit supporters in EF have a cunning solution
Well those from NI can follow Ian Paisley Jnr. (DUP)'s advice and apply for an Irish passport
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Old 03.07.2017, 17:55
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Given the bilateral requirements, it is unlikely that the Swiss can offer no more that it does for US and Canadian citizens. And if they were to somehow find a way around they could expect that other third countries would demand the same.
What requirements?

Which parts of the Bilaterale preclude Switzerland from, say, giving unconditional residency to US citizens?
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Old 03.07.2017, 22:02
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Data published Friday confirmed the economy grew just 0.2% in the first three months of the year, cementing Britain's position as the slowest growing economy in the European Union.

But no chance of a recession
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Old 03.07.2017, 22:08
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Well those from NI can follow Ian Paisley Jnr. (DUP)'s advice and apply for an Irish passport
A friend of mine from the UK, born in NI, got her Irish passport a couple of weeks ago. She is from Londonderry, but when she went to the Embassy, they said 'forget about the London' bit, and put Derry on her passport. I challenged her, but she assured me it is true !?!
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Old 03.07.2017, 22:22
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A friend of mine from the UK, born in NI, got her Irish passport a couple of weeks ago. She is from Londonderry, but when she went to the Embassy, they said 'forget about the London' bit, and put Derry on her passport. I challenged her, but she assured me it is true !?!
Derry ( officially Londonderry) is the second-largest city in Northern Ireland and the fourth-largest city on the island of Ireland.
The name Derry is an anglicisation of the Old Irish name Daire (modern Irish: Doire) meaning "oak grove".
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Old 03.07.2017, 23:06
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A friend of mine from the UK, born in NI, got her Irish passport a couple of weeks ago. She is from Londonderry, but when she went to the Embassy, they said 'forget about the London' bit, and put Derry on her passport. I challenged her, but she assured me it is true !?!
For an Irish point of view there is no place called London Derry! There is An Doire translated as Derry and that is where it begins and ends.
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Old 04.07.2017, 12:36
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EU Bantz

EU's Juncker calls empty European Parliament 'ridiculous'
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Old 04.07.2017, 13:04
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No more ridiculous than the many times the UK parliament has been just as empty. Probably the same for most of the other parliamentary governments in the world too.
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Old 04.07.2017, 18:17
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Well A50 has been invoke so BREXIT is happening. And while it is possible to reapply, being accepted is not automatic and furthermore the EU is moving on with its plans for an EU army, a finance minister, a Euro Group fiscal budget and seemingly even Euro Group bonds... so a more integrated EU than before, can't see the U.K. in that.
Seems it is not only the EU planning an EU army?

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BRITAIN will lead the European Union’s military and provide most of the soldiers for the bloc’s army from July 2019 - two months after Brexit is scheduled for completion.
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No more ridiculous than the many times the UK parliament has been just as empty. Probably the same for most of the other parliamentary governments in the world too.
Difference is that they don't get slammed for being "ridiculous" when they are empty.
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Old 04.07.2017, 22:46
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I think some other words have been said from time to time.
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Old 05.07.2017, 00:21
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No more ridiculous than the many times the UK parliament has been just as empty. Probably the same for most of the other parliamentary governments in the world too.
Do you have a source for your claim "the many times the UK parliament has been just as empty"?
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Old 05.07.2017, 07:08
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Do you have a source for your claim "the many times the UK parliament has been just as empty"?
Have a look at yesterday's Common's attendence.

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/I...9-bb5954d9d13a

If that's a full chamber I'll eat my hat.

If you flick through the video you'll see that it's like that for the whole session which started at 11.30am and went on until around 19.30pm.

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Do you have a source for your claim "the many times the UK parliament has been just as empty"?
I believe the Commons doesn't record minute-by-minute attendance but if you randomly look at the chamber on TV then, apart from PMQs and other higher profile debates, it is typically not even quarter full.

If you look at MPs voting records (here for example) you can see that the median MP only attends maybe 75% of votes. And remember voting only involves popping into the chamber at the appropriate moment, going into the appropriate lobby and then off again.

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To be honest, i like the fact he called the EUP out on it. He's right, and the EUP should know better.
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Seems it is not only the EU planning an EU army?



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The LOLs just keep on coming!
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Yet more from the "You couldn't make it up" department - the head of Vote Leave is now having doubts. From Dominic Cummings twitter:

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Lots! I said before REF was dumb idea, other things shdve been tried 1st. In some possible branches of the future leaving will be an error
...and a nice earlier tweet on the competence of the departments handling Brexit negotiations
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2 A dysfunctional senior civil service can improve management of hardest job since beating Nazis with 2 new crap dptmnts + turf wars? No
Some commentary here https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...minic-cummings

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Yet more from the "You couldn't make it up" department - the head of Vote Leave is now having doubts. From Dominic Cummings twitter:

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Lots! I said before REF was dumb idea, other things shdve been tried 1st. In some possible branches of the future leaving will be an error
Anti-Brexit press prints yet another anti-Brexit story. zzzzzzzzz.

This tweet came as part of a conversation where it was clearly stated there are more possible outcomes in which leaving would be good for the UK. But that wouldn't make much of a story, would it?
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Difference is that they don't get slammed for being "ridiculous" when they are empty.
His real reason is pure envy:

"Mr Juncker complained that if Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel or French President Emmanuel Macron had been in the chamber, it would have been full."
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