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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 09.07.2017, 13:30
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Seems it is not only the EU planning an EU army?

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Which country with oil has been in the news recently?

Ah yes, Peru

Look, it's got gold too

And natural disasters, and pollution problems. Looks like they need "our help"...
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Whatever the UK offers, it'll never be enough.

Brexit: Theresa May's offer to EU citizens 'falls short'
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Old 10.07.2017, 08:46
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Whatever the UK offers, it'll never be enough.

Brexit: Theresa May's offer to EU citizens 'falls short'
Sounds good to me.
No deal you wanted, no deal you will get.

When I supported the leave vote in the Brexit referendum, I never expected the EU to actually be that good in the negotiation. I'm very positively surprised.
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Whatever the UK offers, it'll never be enough.

Brexit: Theresa May's offer to EU citizens 'falls short'
Rightly slammed as it's a shit offer. Heavily criticised by pretty well every group looking after EU rights in the UK and UK rights in the EU since she announced it on 26 June.

Look at the detail and ask yourself what you would think if Switzerland made a similar offer to you personally. Such as having to re-apply for your C permit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-rights-offer for example.
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Rightly slammed as it's a shit offer. Heavily criticised by pretty well every group looking after EU rights in the UK and UK rights in the EU since she announced it on 26 June.

Look at the detail and ask yourself what you would think if Switzerland made a similar offer to you personally. Such as having to re-apply for your C permit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-rights-offer for example.
EU citizens have no permit at present. Being asked to apply for a c permit that you're guaranteed to get is hardly a shit offer.
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Sounds good to me.
No deal you wanted, no deal you will get.

When I supported the leave vote in the Brexit referendum, I never expected the EU to actually be that good in the negotiation. I'm very positively surprised.
I'll be happy if there is no deal. There won't be of course.

Btw, writing an open letter without offering a counter suggestion is not good negotiation.
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Btw, writing an open letter without offering a counter suggestion is not good negotiation.
It has a counter suggestion

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By contrast, the letter said the EU's offer - already on the table - was simple, clear and fair because it promised that all citizens, including UK nationals living in Europe, would be treated equally and lose no current rights.
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EU citizens have no permit at present. Being asked to apply for a c permit that you're guaranteed to get is hardly a shit offer.
Actually they're not guaranteed to get it if you read the fine print. For example...:

- Anyone with less than 5 years residence is not guaranteed
- "Legal residence" is frequently being interpreted to include having private medical insurance. There's been cases of this being applied to people with 20 or more years residence.
- Family reunion is subject to minimun income rules (I believe this is currently about 35K per annum)

An 85 page application form is not exactly a model of brevity either.
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Old 10.07.2017, 11:57
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Btw, writing an open letter without offering a counter suggestion is not good negotiation.
The offer was on the table before the U.K. came along with their offer. Do try to keep up.
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I'll be happy if there is no deal. There won't be of course
Are you ready to put your money where you mouth is and move back to Blighty post-Brexit?
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EU citizens have no permit at present. Being asked to apply for a c permit that you're guaranteed to get is hardly a shit offer.
First of all it is not guaranteed and secondly it is less than the current rights, so there should be no surprise that it was rejected.

I'm just waiting for someone to bring up the Ireland act of 1949, I know the U.K. government have said it will not be repealed, but it does grant Irish citizens different rights to other EU citizens, so it would be surprising if the EU accepts it. Although it is not a treaty, Ireland has similar clauses in it's constitution specifically granting UK additional rights... which would require a referendum to change.
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Are you ready to put your money where you mouth is and move back to Blighty post-Brexit?
Why would I have to move back to Blighty?
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Old 10.07.2017, 12:45
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2013 to 2019 is 6 years, did you run out of fingers to count on?
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Deal was announced this year.
But the Japan/EU trade deal is not yet finished; there are a number of issues to be negotiated before it will be signed. That is why they are estimating it will come into force in 2019; after 6 years negotiation.
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I'm just waiting for someone to bring up the Ireland act of 1949, I know the U.K. government have said it will not be repealed, but it does grant Irish citizens different rights to other EU citizens, so it would be surprising if the EU accepts it. Although it is not a treaty, Ireland has similar clauses in it's constitution specifically granting UK additional rights... which would require a referendum to change.
Pretty sure that would not be affected - there is something similar in Scandinavia inolving Norway.
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Are you ready to put your money where you mouth is and move back to Blighty post-Brexit?
Coz that all applies to other people.
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Old 10.07.2017, 13:25
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Why would I have to move back to Blighty?
Because its very easy to support a hard Brexit from the comfort and security of another country, you gotta have some skin in the game IMHO.
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I'm just waiting for someone to bring up the Ireland act of 1949, I know the U.K. government have said it will not be repealed, but it does grant Irish citizens different rights to other EU citizens, so it would be surprising if the EU accepts it.
Why would the treaty keep forbid the UK from giving better rights than contractually agreed upon to a certain nationality? Makes no sense to me, you don't look a gifted horse in the mouth (doesn't mean of cause there's no such clause).
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Why would the treaty keep forbid the UK from giving better rights than contractually agreed upon to a certain nationality? Makes no sense to me, you don't look a gifted horse in the mouth (doesn't mean of cause there's no such clause).
So if the EU decided to treat Scottish people more favorable to English people, you'd be OK with that? The EU does not tolerate it, that is why the parliament has requested the commission to plan on introducing visa requirements for US citizens should the US continue to require visas for some EU citizens.
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European leaders can go whistle if they expect Britain to pay a divorce bill for withdrawing from the European Union




Im not hearing any whistling, just the clock ticking,



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A sad day indeed when a frenchman is wittier and more likeable then the UK FS.
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