The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

A couple more articles with more of a positive message for those who are interested.

The myth of Britain’s decline

The quiet successes of Brexit

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Although it pains me to say it, but it appears marton was right ... Daniel Kahneman, the psychologist, has identified two further sources of bias in his book Thinking, Fast and Slow. One is hindsight bias. Mr Kahneman cites as an example the now popular notion that global financial crisis was bound to happen. The truth is that only a minority of bankers, analysts, journalists and politicians saw it coming. Remember the nonsense about the great moderation?

Good on you for conceding the point though.

And, for anyone who is interested in this kind of thing, "Thinking, Fast and Slow." is a damned good read.

Maybe we could choose a different source than the right-wing magazine which Brexiteer-In-Chief Bozza edited?

[J2488]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Although it pains me to say it, but it appears marton was right On the other side it reinforces the point that the EU has yet to conclude a deal with a country "far bigger and better" than the UK And this from the pro Remain FT (an excellent article BTW, whatever your view is). From Brexit to fake trade deals — the curse of confirmation bias [Wall of text] Source

I know. Which is why i chose a graphic that clearly showed Japan as a 'Country with which the EU negotiates or has a preferential agreement pending official conclusion.'


Abd none of it takes away from the fact that the EU still has a huge head start on the UK, that it is likely the UK will not be able to match or overcome.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A couple more articles with more of a positive message for those who are interested. The myth of Britain’s decline The quiet successes of Brexit

Are you familiar with so-called echo chambers?

[J2488]

	Quote:	amogles
	If you think this is a show for enternment, you're very much mistaken. It's never right to applaud the big guy who kicks the little guy when he's down. If the Eu wants to drive at a hard and punitive Brexit, beacuse, in their own view, they want to scare the cr@p out of other countries thinking of leaving, it seems to me they are setting a poor precedent. I know comparisons to the old USSR are tiresome, but those guys maintained cohesion by scaring the cr@p out of the weaker countries. Just look where that got them in the end. and look how popular the Russians are in those countries today. I'm not claiming to have an ideal solution here. On the contrary, I think it's a mess for both sides. But any attempt to strong arm the situation will only ultimately benefit the more radical political elements.

The EU is standing up for the interests of its own citizens. Why should they give a toss about UK citizens now? They will simply get whats best for their citizens, and if it disadvantages UK citizens, well you can file that under 'not our problem'.

The USSR isnt the only one that has done it, every intranational organisation has done the same thing. The GCC are doing it right now. NAFTA did the same thing. Hell, the WTO do it too. welcome to the real world and real politics.

The EU will do what is best for the EU, and disadvantage the UK if need be. The UK enabled them to do that.

	Quote:	Castro
	Are you familiar with so-called echo chambers?

Oh, I forgot, this is EF and only articles from the Graun are allowed.

[dandi]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A couple more articles with more of a positive message for those who are interested. ... links removed to avoid useless increase in Google count...

All I see is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and blah again

Can you summarize these articles in two sentences? Cause the only thing I read of any substance is the withdraw from the Fisheries Convention... well, guess what, ATM 75% of fishing is exported, and, guess what, mostly to the EU....

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/n...-imported.html

And this is what, a minor adjustment in a sub-1bn industry a.k.a. less than 0.1% of the UK economy?

Please enlighten us what is positive in all this...

	Quote:	dandi
	Please enlighten us what is positive in all this...

We can try our own fish in our own courts, where fish elected by good, honest working British fish can judge.

I'm fed up of all of these foreign fish in our waters, coming over here using our services, spawning with our females. My sprat can't get a place in the local school, it's swimming with foreign fish.

I can't wait until we can send them back downstream to their own waters.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So if the EU decided to treat Scottish people more favorable to English people, you'd be OK with that? The EU does not tolerate it, that is why the parliament has requested the commission to plan on introducing visa requirements for US citizens should the US continue to require visas for some EU citizens.

Apples and oranges.

The US isn't granting the rights it's supposed to. That's a completely different thing from granting more rights to a certain group than has been agreed upon.

[dandi]

	Quote:	amogles
	I know comparisons to the old USSR are tiresome, but those guys maintained cohesion by scaring the cr@p out of the weaker countries. Just look where that got them in the end. and look how popular the Russians are in those countries today.

Well, just thinking about comparing USSR with the European Union shows how little one knows about history really... I don't remember the EU marching tanks across any capital city, or marching its people into gulags. And, what do you know, no EU invasion took place after the Brexit... phew, we dodged that one...

In fact, I'm wondering who's more scaremongering here, the EU standing on its principles or Brexiteers making a parallel with the USSR, heh?

[dandi]

	Quote:
	We can try our own fish in our own courts, where fish elected by good, honest working British fish can judge.

Lol, just lol. When is the last time you elected someone in the UK judicial system? But otherwise, yes, only British fish can be good and honest working, sure.

	Quote:
	I'm fed up of all of these foreign fish in our waters, coming over here using our services, spawning with our females. My sprat can't get a place in the local school, it's swimming with foreign fish.

I don't know, I somehow prefer fishes mixing between ponds... otherwise they get, you know, like... retarded?

	Quote:
	I can't wait until we can send them back downstream to their own waters.

Well, at least you are being honest...

[marton]

	Quote:
	BoJo telling the EU to whistle will surely help with keeping negotiations positive hey t*at.

Seems Boris whistling was just hot air escaping

	Quote:
	Britain concedes it will have to pay EU exit bill

Source (might be behind a paywall)

Yet another climb down

	Quote:	dandi
	Lol, just lol. When is the last time you elected someone in the UK judicial system? But otherwise, yes, only British fish can be good and honest working, sure. I don't know, I somehow prefer fishes mixing between ponds... otherwise they get, you know, like... retarded? Well, at least you are being honest...

Whooooosh.

[marton]

Pressure stepping up

	Quote:
	The European Securities and Markets Authority (ESMA) has warned national watchdogs against companies hoping to set up thinly staffed "brass plaque" entities ahead of Brexit. In an advisory statement aimed at national EU regulators, the EU securities and markets regulator issued guidelines for avoiding "regulatory arbitrage" between the 27 countries that will be left in the EU after the UK leaves the bloc. ESMA said local regulators in the EU should "reject any relocation request creating letterbox entities."

Source

[marton]

EasyJet to set up Austrian HQ to operate EU flights after Brexit
Airline still faces legal uncertainty about whether it will be able to fly between the UK and EU, and on what terms

Source

The airline said it intended to establish a new airline, easyJet Europe, which would be headquartered in Vienna.

The company said the Vienna move would make it a pan-European aviation group – with three airlines based in Austria, Switzerland and the UK

Ryanair repeated its warnings to the European parliament this week that there was a real prospect of no flights operating between the EU and UK for a period in 2019.

Ryanair’s chief executive, Michael O’Leary, “I think Brexit is going to be one of the greatest suicide notes in history. It’s a shambles.”

Source

[Reb77Br]

Warning: this is not satire, it's real!

From the Brexitballs Facebook page:

"Man of the people Jacob Rees Mogg ponders his next move in the great people's revolution against the elites.

Commenting on progress so far, Mogg returned to the favourite British metaphor of "cake" as a way of discussing how to conduct complex international finance and politics.

“[The EU is a] fruitcake, of course.”

“I like cake, I like eating it, I like having it and I like baking bigger cakes, which was Margaret Thatcher's great saying."

"I think it's true - economically you want to bake a bigger cake rather than slicing up an existing cake differently.”

“I don’t bake but nanny bakes and nanny is an exceptionally good cake maker.

“She makes very good sponge cakes with generous quantities of icing both on top and in the middle, those are the ones that I like."

Truly a man of the people."



http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...favourite-cake

He should just be honest and say he wants a bigger slice from a smaller cake. He doesn't mind if the cake is smaller, as long as his piece is bigger.

[Reb77Br]

Understanding #Moggmentum: the hollow cult of Jacob Rees-Mogg

I suspect there must still be a lot of people who secretly think that the upper classes are their betters and defer to them, whether regarding Brexit or anything else. It apparently didn't do the Leave campaign any harm to have Boris at the helm.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	It apparently didn't do the Leave campaign any harm to have Boris at the helm.

Too many of the public were taken in by self-serving people masquerading as public servants.