The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The UK not publishing a paper on the Brexit bill shows sound tactics on behalf of the UK negotiators.

So how do you propose the UK negotiators will communicate their position on the proposals made by the EU? Or should we just assume that they agree by the lack of an counter proposal, comment or discussion?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	amogles
	Yes, I'm surprised the Eu thinks it can jump in at the deep end and talk about costs first before laying out what the UK is getting for that money.

What money? How much did you say is the UK's offer?

As for preparedness loz, can I borrow your crystal ball? Or would you be willing to divulge the UK's position verbally?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And if you actually paid attention you'd know that the objective was to agree a method of calculating the amount. And at this point what is needed is feedback from the UK side on that method.

whose onjective? The EU's, or was that a mutually agreed first objective?

	Quote:	amogles
	Yes, I'm surprised the Eu thinks it can jump in at the deep end and talk about costs first before laying out what the UK is getting for that money. When I go into a kitchen showroom the salesman first shows me all the nice stuff and tries to make me enthusiastic about what i can do with it and then, in a second phase, when we start talkling money I realize I need to scale back my ambitions. If he started off by saying what I need to spend and refuses to talk anything else until I agree to the sum, I'd probably walk out. But maybe that's what the EU wants.

The money is about the past not the future. It is about the UK settling up for stuff it has signed up to over the years and closing the books on Brexit.

As has been agreed by BOTH sides, discussions on the future only start once the past has been settled and agreed.

	Quote:	amogles
	whose onjective? The EU's, or was that a mutually agreed first objective?

Mutually agreed some weeks ago.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	As for preparedness loz, can I borrow your crystal ball? Or would you be willing to divulge the UK's position verbally?

I suppose you think that 98 Civil Servants were all in Brussels twiddling their thumbs?

[marton]

	Quote:	amogles
	Yes, I'm surprised the Eu thinks it can jump in at the deep end and talk about costs first before laying out what the UK is getting for that money. When I go into a kitchen showroom the salesman first shows me all the nice stuff and tries to make me enthusiastic about what i can do with it and then, in a second phase, when we start talkling money I realize I need to scale back my ambitions. If he started off by saying what I need to spend and refuses to talk anything else until I agree to the sum, I'd probably walk out. But maybe that's what the EU wants.

A very poor analogy.

Try I went into a kitchen showroom, bought a wide variety of stuff with long term payment agreements, maintenance contracts and agreements on how to keep everything up to date in the future.

Now I want to break the all these agreements and walk away without paying a single Rappen

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I suppose you think that 98 Civil Servants were all in Brussels twiddling their thumbs?

Well does not seem to be much visible smoke and no sign of any fire; maybe they were thumb twiddling in the complete absence of any contrary evidence

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The UK not publishing a paper on the Brexit bill shows sound tactics on behalf of the UK negotiators. The UK know that this is their strongest hand and what will cause most headaches for the EU (there's a huge EU budget hole that needs filling remember). Carefully making concessions on the financial settlement will allow the UK to get concessions out of the EU. This would not be possible if the UK showed its hand from the off.

Interesting approach, so the UK will sit at the table with towels over their heads while saying nothing and hope that in return the EU will make ever better offers?

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	A very poor analogy. Try I went into a kitchen showroom, bought a wide variety of stuff with long term payment agreements, maintenance contracts and agreements on how to keep everything up to date in the future. Now I want to break the all these agreements and walk away without paying a single Rappen

What long term payment agreement does the Uk have with the EU?

Membership fees are contributions towards financing the EU's activities, not installments on goods or services previously delivered.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	amogles
	whose onjective? The EU's, or was that a mutually agreed first objective?

Well why don't you just go and read up on things, because at this stage you are just embarrassing yourself.

	Quote:	marton
	Interesting approach, so the UK will sit at the table with towels over their heads while saying nothing and hope that in return the EU will make ever better offers?

Don't worry. Loz has previously demonstrated her/his negotiating knowledge is a country mile behind even David Davis or Bozo.

[Sbrinz]

Do any of you also see the frightening aspect of complete ignorance by UK politicians on the effects of Brexit?

Only a week ago a certain ex Labour Prime Minister was stating that the EU will not insist on the UK respecting the free movement of people.

You couldn't make this up could you? It's like reading a teenager's homework!

	Quote:	marton
	Interesting approach, so the UK will sit at the table with towels over their heads while saying nothing and hope that in return the EU will make ever better offers?

If this is what you have interpreted from what I wrote then you are either ignorant or stupid.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	If this is what you have interpreted from what I wrote then you are either ignorant or stupid.

No you have failed to make your point because I've interpreted it the same way. How exactly do you expect the U.K. to respond to the positions proposed by the EU? Because that is where we at. Either the U.K. says ye that is fine or no this is how we see it - that is negotiations. Sitting there with a dump grin on your face will not cut it.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	No you have failed to make your point because I've interpreted it the same way. How exactly do you expect the U.K. to respond to the positions proposed by the EU? Because that is where we at. Either the U.K. says ye that is fine or no this is how we see it - that is negotiations. Sitting there with a dump grin on your face will not cut it.

Interestingly I had an Indian client who would ask for a price in a meeting, when you answered he would not respond in any way. He was always waiting for better terms & still said nothing ............

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Interestingly I had an Indian client who would ask for a price in a meeting, when you answered he would not respond in any way. He was always waiting for better terms & still said nothing ............

I would take the view that he thought it was too cheap and so then quote a higher price; amazing how quickly the dumb recover the power of speech!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	I would take the view that he thought it was too cheap and so then quote a higher price; amazing how quickly the dumb recover the power of speech!

Probably not, they would just go elsewhere. Hopefully thats exactly what happens & we get a hard BREXIT.

[marton]

Brexit: Bank of America chooses Dublin for EU base after UK leaves the bloc
The bank did not say how many roles would be moved or created in the Irish capital, where it currently has over 700 staff.

Details of banks' Brexit arrangements are starting to emerge following a July 14 deadline for them to submit details of their contingency plans to the Bank of England.

Source

Rearrange the following words into a well known phrase or saying?

Leaving ship rats sinking a.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Leaving ship rats sinking a.

So foreign bankers are rats?

Do I see a Godwin situation coming up?

[marton]

	Quote:	amogles
	So foreign bankers are rats? Do I see a Godwin situation coming up?

"So foreign bankers are rats? " I would not limit that sentiment to foreign bankers! Nobody yet went to jail over the 2008 financial meltdown