The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Who cares? Tom

Anyone who will ultimately suffer long term issues after years of eating substandard food.

I disagree with Loz's point above about anyone who has been on holiday to the USA and eaten meat there shouldn't care. Obviously, you can check where the meat comes from if you want, so that invalidates the point, but more significantly, even if you're there a week or two and gorge yourself, that isn't the same as a lifetime's accumulated problems due to substandard produce.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Hmm, so taste is the ultimate arbiter. Funnily enough, those infected veggies tasted just fine. Same applies to the horse meat scandal products. Spot the contradiction. Besides, for someone to break the standards and requirements you need to have standards in the first place. Detection requires effective checks in order to detect the breaking thereof. Thus the detection is actually proof of a functioning system.

Food standards do not guarantee the quality of food, they're the lowest acceptable standards for protecting public health. The horse meat scandal was a Europe wide scandal that shows how easy it was for these rules to be flouted and grand scale.

Now the USA also has standards and they're different to the EU, but in the grand scheme of things there won't be much in it, after all, how many American are dropping dead through what they eat? What they over eat perhaps, but that's another topic all together.

I don't buy tomatoes that come from Holland, because I know they'll taste of nothing. I try my best to buy only organic milk, eggs and meat. Not because I care for any nutritional benefit, but because I know the welfare standards for the animals they come from are higher. The point I'm trying to make is that at the end, you and you alone are responsible for what you put in your mouth. You should take an interest in where your food comes from. If you're worried about US Beef or Chicken, then simply don't buy it.

[Reb77Br]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I try my best to buy only organic milk, eggs and meat. Not because I care for any nutritional benefit, but because I know the welfare standards for the animals they come from are higher. ... If you're worried about US Beef or Chicken, then simply don't buy it.

Given the choice between battery-raised chicken and organic chicken, I wonder which option most people in the UK who voted in the referendum would choose.

"Free-range accounts for 5% and organic 1% of UK chicken production, according to the British Poultry Council. The remaining 94% comes from intensively reared birds."
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29219843

"As of 2014, approximately 95% of eggs in the U.S. were produced in battery cages."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_cage

I'm sure most people won't care which country it comes from, how it was raised and whether it was chlorinated or not, as long as it's cheap.

[fatmanfilms]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rd-Brexit.html

Brit's do still want BREXIT, a hard BREXIT

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rd-Brexit.html Brit's do still want BREXIT, a hard BREXIT

Not strictly accurate, there was no option for "No Brexit", just "Hard Brexit", "Soft Brexit" or "Second Referendum".

The majority of people do NOT want a hard Brexit, as ~60% wanted soft Brexit or a second referendum. Brexiteers and stats eh?

[Reb77Br]

According to The Economist, most Leavers want a hard Brexit while voters at large want a soft one.
https://www.economist.com/news/brita...-and-keep-free

And some want a Brexit that's "just right", like Goldilocks. Honestly, other countries must think the UK is filled with morons.

[st2lemans]

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	even if you're there a week or two and gorge yourself, that isn't the same as a lifetime's accumulated problems due to substandard produce.

Substandard produce?

What are you on about?

My grandfather passed away two years ago, living on his own in his own home, after 103 years of eating 'substandard produce'.

You are truly a mindless idiot!

Tom

[Sbrinz]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	According to The Economist, most Leavers want a hard Brexit while voters at large want a soft one. https://www.economist.com/news/brita...-and-keep-free And some want a Brexit that's "just right", like Goldilocks. Honestly, other countries must think the UK is filled with morons.

I am certain most Europeans think Britain is completely bonkers. Why upset and ultimately make life difficult for 48% of your customers?

The EU is adamant that changing the free movement of capital, people, goods, (and something else) is not negotiable. Yet a week ago an ex PM pops up and claims the EU doesn't really mean it, & everything can be negotiated !

When and where will I read an honest definite statement on Brexit?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	The EU is adamant that changing the free movement of capital, people, goods, (and something else) is not negotiable. Yet a week ago an ex PM pops up and claims the EU doesn't really mean it, & everything can be negotiated!

Well in theory, I suppose so except it would require a treaty change and that means the best the current EU team could do is commit to proposing the change and see if the 27 would approve it... however that would require possible referenda in Denmark and France and a definite one in Ireland...

Irish men and Irish women voting on the future of the UK, now there is something the men of 1916 never imagined! I doubt the Irish government would even agree to put it to the people. It would open up too many old grievances.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Who cares? Tom

Well I care and many more. My former command officer died of it. The first they noticed was a meeting where they were wait for him to leave the room and he kept circling the table until someone asked what was wrong and explained he could not figure out how to get out! Now you may be happy to have that kind of thing visited on your family but I certainly am not.

40K tests on 35m animals - a bloody joke.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	My grandfather passed away two years ago, living on his own in his own home, after 103 years of eating 'substandard produce'.

Well if he was that old, then for most of his life he probably was not exposed to substandard produce and the second thing is given the length of time it takes for something like BSE to manifest itself we don't actually know if he caught something or not...

Really that is the best you can do and you call someone else a mindless idiot????

Exactly - so he would have been the same age as my dad - although he died very young, aged 96...

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Substandard produce? What are you on about? My grandfather passed away two years ago, living on his own in his own home, after 103 years of eating 'substandard produce'. You are truly a mindless idiot! Tom

Good point. 1 / 320,000,000 is truly a representative sample.

[pdofr]

Amber Rudd asks for analysis of EU migration – a year after referendum

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	he Labour MP Heidi Alexander, a leading supporter of Open Britain, which campaigns for a soft Brexit, said the timing of the report was concerning. “It beggars belief that the government have taken a year to get round to asking for expert evidence on the role played by EU nationals in our country,” she said. “Our immigration policy has been governed by anecdote and scaremongering, rather than evidence, since the moment Theresa May set foot in the Home Office in 2010. The timing of this announcement shows the total lack of preparation and understanding that has typified this government’s attitude to Brexit so far.”

It beggars belief indeed.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	My grandfather passed away two years ago, living on his own in his own home, after 103 years of eating 'substandard produce'.

A friend's grandmother smoked heavily all her life but lasted until 96.

When she died of lung cancer.

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Given the choice between battery-raised chicken and organic chicken, I wonder which option most people in the UK who voted in the referendum would choose. "Free-range accounts for 5% and organic 1% of UK chicken production, according to the British Poultry Council. The remaining 94% comes from intensively reared birds." http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29219843 "As of 2014, approximately 95% of eggs in the U.S. were produced in battery cages." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_cage I'm sure most people won't care which country it comes from, how it was raised and whether it was chlorinated or not, as long as it's cheap.

If people are too stupid to care about what they put in their mouths then that's on the them. It shouldn't take away the choice though.

I was at one of Rolli's Steakhouses last night, on the menu was this piece of information regarding the meat that has been imported from the US:

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	*= Kann mit leistungsfördernden Hormonen, Antibiotika und/oder Antimikroben erzeugt worden sein.

There in plain view for all to read. In our adopted home of Switzerland too. If it's OK for Switzerland then it can be OK for the UK. As long as it is correctly labelled then I don't see an issue.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	As long as it is correctly labelled then I don't see an issue.

This is of course where your argument completely falls down.

BTW how do you propose to protect children from eating that stuff?

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	This is of course where your argument completely falls down.

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	BTW how do you propose to protect children from eating that stuff?

How do you propose to protect children against drinking too many sugary drinks and eating too much refined sugar?

[roegner]

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	BTW how do you propose to protect children from eating that stuff?

Because the parents buy better food than that?

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	roegner
	Because the parents buy better food than that?

In what sense 'better'?

Tom