The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	st2lemans
	In what sense 'better'? Tom

That at least the antibiotic pumped chicken they buy has lived out its miserable 6 weeks existence in the dark together with thousands of other antibiotic pumped chickens on an EU farm rather than in a US one

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	roegner
	Because the parents buy better food than that?

But would require property labeling etc... and I seem to rember that was a bit of a problem in the US.

[Odile]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Probably not, they would just go elsewhere. Hopefully thats exactly what happens & we get a hard BREXIT.

Glad to see your dear Prime Minister does not agree with you - from the Guardian today ...

'Brexit may not happen and a political leader in Britain should show courage and fight for a referendum on the terms of the country’s exit deal with the EU, the prime minister of Malta has said.

Joseph Muscat, who has been on the inside track of the Brexit talks in recent months while Malta has held the rotating presidency of the European council, has spoken of his growing belief that the UK will remain an EU member.

“The will of the people can have disastrous consequences, history teaches us,” Muscat said in an interview with the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant. “I could name some examples, but they’re so horrendous they’d raise the wrath of my British friends.'

Lucky Jeremy will see us though

Nigel Farage backs Jeremy Corbyn on Brexit saying he is tougher than the Tories

[marton]

	Quote:	pdofr
	Amber Rudd asks for analysis of EU migration – a year after referendum It beggars belief indeed.

There was a story that T. May had such a report in Spring last year but blocked publication!
I could only find this one here!

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	But would require property labeling etc... and I seem to rember that was a bit of a problem in the US.

Howso?

If anything, the US OVER-labels.

Tom

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Howso? If anything, the US OVER-labels. Tom

At this stage I consider you to be trolling...

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	At this stage I consider you to be trolling...

Not at all, US products have far too much extraneous info on the labels.

Personally, I trust US products much more than those from most of the EU.

Tom

[StirB]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	At this stage I consider you to be trolling...

At this stage?

Oh well, it's only taken you 470 pages to catch up with the rest of us

[Odile]

Well he did give clear warnings- but they called it 'Project Fear' - it is clearly turning into 'Project reality'

http://bit.ly/2tWdu7O

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Odile
	Well he did give clear warnings- but they called it 'Project Fear' - it is clearly turning into 'Project reality' http://bit.ly/2tWdu7O

There is a reason why the opinion of former Supreme Court Justices, Chief Justices, barristers etc... tend to carry more wait than politicians in Irish constitutional referenda - if you are going to vote to change the law of the land, political BS is the last thing you need!

[Reb77Br]

It's getting like the flagellants scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Brexit voters: Most say economic damage is a price worth paying

Majority of older Leave voters say significant economic damage is 'price worth paying', finds YouGov

Or perhaps with those voters who are comfortably off it's less about self-flagellation than being happy to watch others be whipped.

Do they really believe this or is it a case of "we are right about Brexit and nothing you say will make us change our minds, as that would mean admitting we were wrong, so we will support it come what may, even if it means bad things for (preferably) other people"?

[StirB]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	It's getting like the flagellants scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Brexit voters: Most say economic damage is a price worth paying Majority of older Leave voters say significant economic damage is 'price worth paying', finds YouGov Or perhaps with those voters who are comfortably off it's less about self-flagellation than being happy to watch others be whipped. Do they really believe this or is it a case of "we are right about Brexit and nothing you say will make us change our minds, as that would mean admitting we were wrong, so we will support it come what may, even if it means bad things for (preferably) other people"?

We are all standing in sh1t, but at least we can gloat that it's only up to our ankles.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	It's getting like the flagellants scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Brexit voters: Most say economic damage is a price worth paying Majority of older Leave voters say significant economic damage is 'price worth paying', finds YouGov Or perhaps with those voters who are comfortably off it's less about self-flagellation than being happy to watch others be whipped. Do they really believe this or is it a case of "we are right about Brexit and nothing you say will make us change our minds, as that would mean admitting we were wrong, so we will support it come what may, even if it means bad things for (preferably) other people"?

I'm 55 and the generation older than me screwed me by voting for things that were best for them as did the generation before them. No thought whatsoever for the future.
People always vote for self interest only, Look at the vote for JC, promise to write off debts and everyone thinks he's wonderful. Even though it will mean more debt for future generations.
The more things change the more they stay the same.

[marton]

	Quote:	StirB
	We are all standing in sh1t, but at least we can gloat that it's only up to our ankles.

You remember the old joke about when the devil walks in and says "OK boys, coffee break over, back on your heads"

[Odile]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I'm 55 and the generation older than me screwed me by voting for things that were best for them as did the generation before them. No thought whatsoever for the future.

Now you do have me absolutely and totally confused here- did I understand wrongly that you are a staunch Brexiteer?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Now you do have me absolutely and totally confused here- did I understand wrongly that you are a staunch Brexiteer?

I was unable to vote so it's irrelevant. The UK has not prospered since 1973 & will undoubtedly do better outside, with less regulation. Some people will loose out, others will gain upside is unlimited.
Just pointing out people vote for what's good for them, my wife voted to stay as some of her clients get EU funding.

[amogles]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I was unable to vote so it's irrelevant. The UK has not prospered since 1973 & will undoubtedly do better outside, with less regulation. Some people will loose out, others will gain upside is unlimited. Just pointing out people vote for what's good for them, my wife voted to stay as some of her clients get EU funding.

I don't think people only vote for what's good for them. But they tend to over-emphasize the part played by people just like them.

[Odile]

Well, this old biddy and the other one (OH) voted for what we deemed best for our adult children and all their cousins and family, and for our grandchildren. And no, I would not be prepared to see the economy go down the pan and the above lose their jobs and future. Irrespective of the effect on us, who know we have had a good (even if not always easy at all, and a lt of hard work) innings.

In the meantime, the Daily Mail readers going (to) Beniform are going mad about long queues for extra passport checks at EU airports. You just could NOT make this stuff up, doh bleeding doh incredible.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...mp=EMC-SAIL%22. Those pesky foreigners, hey, making our life a misery on our jollies? Next they will be complaining about beer and fish and chips going up on costa del thingy- 'cause the pesky foreigners have deliberately sunk the £ just to annoy us... like.

[StirB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The UK has not prospered since 1973

That's not really true. All but 7 years in that period have seen GDP growth. The 7 years that didn't were affected by:

74/75 - Fallout of the miners' strike and downfall of Heath Government.
80/81 - Huge unemployment and high oil prices
90/91 - Ongoing fallout of Black Monday and Iraq war
08/09 - US / World Financial crisis

Suggesting the EU was in any way to blame for these would be incredibly disingenuous, so I know you won't try that.

The UK has outperformed the Eurozone and World in economic growth during the whole time it has been in the EU too, so again, hard to agree with your above sentiment.