The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Odile]

Probably all my fault FMF- I became a British citizen in 1972. Disingenuous is THE word indeed.

In the meantime, from NewsThump, a bit of British humour

Freedom of movement is only a great idea when going on holiday, according to a Brexit twat who voted to prevent it.

Arsehole Simon Williams, who voted Leave to ‘keep forriners out’, has been stuck in a passport queue for over six hours as a consequence of the increased border checks he’s been repeatedly demanding on his Facebook page.

Williams, who was already in a bad mood after receiving eighty-eight cents for his Great British pound, is now a mere six hundred metres from the full body scanners.

“I said increased border checks should keep the foreigners out. I said nothing about me going on holiday to one of their countries,” he told us.

“If you read my blog, it clearly states ‘put an end to the freedom of movement of highly-skilled, workshy foreigners coming here’ not the freedom of movement for me to spend a fortnight on an EU beach that falls within the recommended safety guidelines.”

Meanwhile, EU officials warned border checks within the Schengen zone would remain at a heightened level to keep out the sort of people Mr Williams writes about in block capitals.

Top EU man, Donald Tusk, said, “These queues are a mere trifle to the seemingly endless human centipede Mr Williams will endure every August once the UK has left the EU. Speedy boarding or no ing speedy boarding.”

But Williams hit back, adding, “It’s an outrage. We could have been enjoying a full English down the St George pub in Torremolinos by now.”

[Reb77Br]

I was just about to post that, Odile.

Funny how the Daily Mail and Express ("take back control!") are outraged that other countries are tightening their border controls.

Daily Mail: British holidaymakers faint and miss their flights in FOUR HOUR queues at European airports after Brussels insists on tough new EU border checks
Daily Express: ‘Britain is being punished’ Holidaymakers STRANDED as EU imposes 'dangerous' border checks

LBC radio: James O’Brien’s Epic Response To Today's Daily Mail Front Page

[Odile]

And I am actually warming to this guy- having avoided RyanAir like the plague after a disastrous one in their first year:

https://youtu.be/Inr1KEoJqJ0

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	StirB
	The UK has outperformed the Eurozone and World in economic growth during the whole time it has been in the EU too, so again, hard to agree with your above sentiment.

Not true for 1973-79
Following the 1973 oil crisis, the 1973–74 stock market crash, and the secondary banking crisis of 1973–75, the British economy fell into the 1973–75 recession and the government of Edward Heath was ousted by the Labour Party under Harold Wilson, which had previously governed from 1964 to 1970. Wilson formed a minority government in March 1974 after the general election on 28 February ended in a hung parliament. Wilson secured a three-seat majority in a second election in October that year.

The UK recorded weaker growth than many other European nations in the 1970s; even after the recession, the economy was blighted by rising unemployment and double-digit inflation, which exceeded 20% more than once and was rarely below 10% after 1973.

In 1976, the UK was forced to apply for a loan of £2.3 billion from the International Monetary Fund. Denis Healey, then Chancellor of the Exchequer, was required to implement public spending cuts and other economic reforms in order to secure the loan, and for a while the British economy improved, with growth of 4.3 per cent in early 1979. However, following the Winter of Discontent, when the UK was hit by numerous public sector strikes, the government of James Callaghan lost a vote of no confidence in March 1979. This triggered the 1979 general election which resulted in Margaret Thatcher's Conservative Party forming a new government.

UK had the 5th largest economy in 1973, so has not outperformed in 34 years today 6th largest economy.........

EU has had the worst performance other than Antarctica since 2000, so wishing to stay on a sinking ship is hardly the way forward.

[Odile]

Is this the reason you (sort of) moved to Malta then ?

[StirB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	EU has had the worst performance other than Antarctica since 2000, so wishing to stay on a sinking ship is hardly the way forward.

Honestly. It's hard to have a serious debate when you write nonsense like this.

[Odile]

Many people are realising that THIS is what it is all about. And why the likes are Murdoch are pulling the strings. Let's hope they crack down HARD, VERY HARD:

https://veritasetlibertasdeannolxxxi.../2017/05/30/5/

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Is this the reason you (sort of) moved to Malta then ?

What do you mean 'sort of' moved to Malta?

	Quote:	Odile
	Many people are realising that THIS is what it is all about. And why the likes are Murdoch are pulling the strings. Let's hope they crack down HARD, VERY HARD: https://veritasetlibertasdeannolxxxi.../2017/05/30/5/

Why would anyone choose to pay more tax than they legally need to?
Quite why anyone with a choice would want to live in the UK beats me it's cold & raining even in August.

	Quote:	Odile
	Probably all my fault FMF- I became a British citizen in 1972. Disingenuous is THE word indeed. In the meantime, from NewsThump, a bit of British humour Freedom of movement is only a great idea when going on holiday, according to a Brexit twat who voted to prevent it.

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	I was just about to post that, Odile. Funny how the Daily Mail and Express ("take back control!") are outraged that other countries are tightening their border controls. LBC radio: James O’Brien’s Epic Response To Today's Daily Mail Front Page

The queues are because the EU has enforced stricter checks on non-Schengen countries. The UK has always been non-Schengen despite being a member of the EU. But let's not let the truth get in the way of some Brexit bashing bollocks.

And all the while the EU is enforcing stricter checks at airports, it is taxiing ISIS members directly across the Med and into Europe.

	Quote:	Odile
	Many people are realising that THIS is what it is all about. And why the likes are Murdoch are pulling the strings. Let's hope they crack down HARD, VERY HARD: https://veritasetlibertasdeannolxxxi.../2017/05/30/5/

Full. On. Chemtrails.

The Good News on Brexit They’re Not Telling You

[Reb77Br]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Funny how the Daily Mail and Express ("take back control!") are outraged that other countries are tightening their border controls. Daily Mail: British holidaymakers faint and miss their flights in FOUR HOUR queues at European airports after Brussels insists on tough new EU border checks Daily Express: ‘Britain is being punished’ Holidaymakers STRANDED as EU imposes 'dangerous' border checks LBC radio: James O’Brien’s Epic Response To Today's Daily Mail Front Page

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The queues are because the EU has enforced stricter checks on non-Schengen countries. The UK has always been non-Schengen despite being a member of the EU. But let's not let the truth get in the way of some Brexit bashing bollocks.

Where did I say the border controls were because of Brexit? I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the Daily Mail and Express advocating that the UK "take back control" of borders, "keep terrorists out", etc., then blaming EU countries for doing the same and supposedly targeting Brits in particular. According to them, it's fine if the UK is tightening its borders but not if EU countries are doing the same. They're serving up their usual anti-EU xenophobia, which was very much part of the Leave campaign's and associated newspapers' "take back control (from foreigners)" message.

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Where did I say the border controls were because of Brexit? I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the Daily Mail and Express advocating that the UK "take back control" of borders, "keep terrorists out", etc., then blaming EU countries for doing the same and supposedly targeting Brits in particular. According to them, it's fine if the UK is tightening its borders but not if EU countries are doing the same. They're serving up their usual anti-EU xenophobia, which was very much part of the Leave campaign's and associated newspapers' "take back control (from foreigners)" message.

Since when does "taking back control" mean having to queue for four hours at passport control? People are angry because passport desks haven't been adequately staffed to deal with the new checks, not with the checks themselves. This isn't hypocrisy.

[Odile]

And are you absolutely sure that that has nothing to do with Brexit? At the end of the day, the UK being an isolated island - EU countries can and possibly will, make things very difficult for those wanting to come in AND out, and for things too- both ways.
If they want to flex their muscles - Schengen or no Schengen ...

Trust the French for sure ...

And wait till border controls move back to the very narrow strip in Dover- stuck between the White Cliffs and the Channel, with no-where to go.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The Good News on Brexit They’re Not Telling You

	Quote:
	The nonmember Switzerland, for example, exports nearly five times as much per head as Britain does, mostly to the European Union, while simultaneously having bilateral trade deals around the world.

You see that is the bit the BREXIT supports ignore - the dismal performance of their industries in the export market. The U.K. has had priority acces to a major trading block for almost forty years and yet it is the only major EU economy to fail to produce a positive balance of trade in the last 20 years. Claiming it's the fault of the EU does not ring true when you are the one having the problem...

When challenged they will tell you they are really a service economy, which is true, but all of their efforts, debates and discussions are about trade deals!

It will be very interesting to see just how U.K. industry stacks up when having to stand on their own without the protection of the EU for 48% of it's exports!

[FrankZappa]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Since when does "taking back control" mean having to queue for four hours at passport control? People are angry because passport desks haven't been adequately staffed to deal with the new checks, not with the checks themselves. This isn't hypocrisy.

I hope that you're still here to discuss when passport/customs checks are in Dover & the super efficient UK customs service has caused tailbacks halfway to London :-). Schadenfreude, baby.

	Quote:	FrankZappa
	I hope that you're still here to discuss when passport/customs checks are in Dover & the super efficient UK customs service has caused tailbacks halfway to London :-). Schadenfreude, baby.

What, like the queues of lorries waiting to get into Switzerland on a Monday morning?

[FrankZappa]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What, like the queues of lorries waiting to get into Switzerland on a Monday morning?

LOL, if only the British could be that lucky.

[Odile]

	Quote:	FrankZappa
	I hope that you're still here to discuss when passport/customs checks are in Dover & the super efficient UK customs service has caused tailbacks halfway to London :-). Schadenfreude, baby.

ahaha when they meet up with the queues at Folkestone for the Tunnel - oh joy...

What a daft comparison... at Geneva, if there are massive queues- there are many alternatives- up the Jura, around the lake, and so many more. In Dover and Folkestone ? Really. Have you ever been there? At al Bank Holiday or beginning or end of school holidays in particular?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Odile
	ahaha when they meet up with the queues at Folkestone for the Tunnel - oh joy... What a daft comparison... at Geneva, if there are massive queues- there are many alternatives- up the Jura, around the lake, and so many more. In Dover and Folkestone ? Really. Have you ever been there? At al Bank Holiday or beginning or end of school holidays in particular?

Ahem, so the entire land mass of Great Britain has only two ports of entry, at Dover and at Folkestone? None even equivalent to some obscure Jura crossing?

I didn't realize things had gone downhill so badly since my last visit. I for sure will miss the mouldy carpets at Gatwick. Not to mention all the non existent stuff north of Watford.

Or could it be that you're just so bitter that people didn't vote your way that you wish misfortune on an entire country?

[StirB]

	Quote:	amogles
	Ahem, so the entire land mass of Great Britain has only two ports of entry, at Dover and at Folkestone? I didn't realize things had gone downhill so badly since my last visit. I for sure will miss the mouldy carpets at Gatwick. Not to mention all the non existent stuff north of Watford.

I think it might be tricky to drive into Britain through Gatwick, unless Elon Musk has been secretly using his boring machine for years!