The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

Medea, I am fully aware of UK geography, and surrounded countries. Perhaps you didn't read my post fully?

Could you please give me a list of access ports to UK which are not in EU? Thanks.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Pays your money and takes your choice.

The question is under what travel program will a UK citizen travel... Not a member of Schengen, not an EU citizen... so what???

Save us from American food standards.

Millions of eggs removed from European shelves over toxicity fears

[Medea Fleecestealer]

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	Medea, I am fully aware of UK geography, and surrounded countries. Perhaps you didn't read my post fully? Could you please give me a list of access ports to UK which are not in EU? Thanks.

Nope, cause don't exist - as I suspect you well know. Might be a ferry route from Norway to somewhere in Scotland, but that's it.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	The question is under what travel program will a UK citizen travel... Not a member of Schengen, not an EU citizen... so what???

Same as most other people in the world - non-EU. Is that so hard to grasp? I suspect similar to US, Canada, Australia, etc. Up to 90 days without the need for a visa - which is what we have already. UK isn't a member of Schengen anyway.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Nope, cause don't exist - as I suspect you well know. Might be a ferry route from Norway to somewhere in Scotland, but that's it.

There are still plenty of ferries to the Isle of Man and Channel islands.

I think there is even a seasonal ferry to the Faroe Islands.

The Queen Mary II regularly plies Southhampton to New York.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Nope, cause don't exist - as I suspect you well know. Might be a ferry route from Norway to somewhere in Scotland, but that's it.

Newcastle to both Bergen and Oslo.

There are at least 6 ferry routes I have used myself which are missing from the map up-thread, though those destinations are all within the current EU.

Ah thanks guys - great routes indeed- to go from Neuchâtel to Surrey to see grandchildren. Champion (as they say in Newcastle) ...

and never mind holiday makers and grandparents- those routes will be grand for all the freight to most of Europe. Couldn't make it up - really.

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Pays your money and takes your choice.

Well for freight purposes 5 or 6 of those scarcely count as the capacity is miniscule. Although as Felixstowe is missing I guess that evens out.

However the point from someone earlier was why aren't there massive freight queues out of Switzerland (and therefore why should therebe in the UK). Simple. Switzerland has maybe 20 main customs points to serve an economy of just 7 million people. The UK has considerably fewer for 65 million people. Realistically for roughly half the UKs trade there are just 2 main exit points. Dover/ Folkstone and Felixstowe.

Even with the range of customs points here have you not seen the queues in Chiasso at times?

UK industrial circles have raised this issue repeatedly....I'm really not sure why people on here are denying it

You perhaps forgot Schengen and bilateral agreements? The fact the UK refused to be part of Schengen was more or less ignored as long as they are part of the EU. Now, those in the EU can choose to no longer ignore it- and make life difficult for an island, for sure.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What, like the queues of lorries waiting to get into Switzerland on a Monday morning?

Indeed there are. Lorries are not allowed to enter Switzerland on Sundays.

Did you ever try to enter Switzerland in the Customs lorry lane and use the associated lorry park??

[Jim2007]

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	The fact the UK refused to be part of Schengen was more or less ignored as long as they are part of the EU.

It is not a case of it being ignored, Schengen relates to tourist travel. UK citizens had FMOP rights under the EU/EEA/CH agreements and did no rely on Schengen. However they need to do something before Mar 2019 or there will be problems.

[Jim2007]

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	Ah thanks guys - great routes indeed- to go from Neuchâtel to Surrey to see grandchildren.

I was listening to Michael O'Leary of Ryanair yesterday. It seems one of their fallback plans is fly to Dublin or Cork and then take the ferry or a train to Belfast... However there are a few big issues:
- Travel status of UK citizens entering Ireland is still unknown
- Lack of capacity on trains
- Ditto for ferries....

Oh and this must be sorted out by late autumn next year as that is when airlines must file their timetables for 2019 and declare the location of their aircraft for 2019.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Plenty of good wines from New Zealand, less so from Chile both sold in UK supermarkets. Plenty of Japanese cars to replace EU produced goods so not a great deal to worry about as a consumer.

I'm sure new world wine drinkers will continue drinking new world wine. French (e.g.) was never at the cheaper end of the spectrum, so again, it's not really directly replaceable with Aussie or NZ wine.

The Japanese make great cars, I was always a Honda fan before my current car, but plenty of people will still buy their Beamer or Merc. Also, Japan is probably about to sign a huge trade deal with the EU and has threatened to move factories over there, so I'd say medium term, Japanese cars might not be a great deal cheaper than EU ones. I think it would be difficult to convince people to switch from their 3 series to a Honda Accord.

The point I am making here is even with wines and cars, there aren't really credible alternatives. You can definitely replace your current wines and cars with ones from Asia, but it's hard to imagine the quality staying the same, so in the end, the UK consumer is a loser.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Save us from American food standards. Millions of eggs removed from European shelves over toxicity fears

Hang on. You are complaining that because they didn't meet EU food production standards, products were removed from supermarkets? That's a bad thing is it?

Don't worry, you'll have your chlorination chicken soon enough.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It is not a case of it being ignored, Schengen relates to tourist travel. UK citizens had FMOP rights under the EU/EEA/CH agreements and did no rely on Schengen. However they need to do something before Mar 2019 or there will be problems.

Two different issues here. What triggered the recent comments here was the Daily Mail and other wonderful rags, moaning about tourists being held up for much longer than normal when going off on their jollies to Spain and other EU countries.

Seriously though- we normally drive or take the train to go to UK - sometimes fly to Luton ... being able to see my grandchildren and be available at the drop of a hat in an emergency, if I have to go via Dublin and take ferry, then rent a car- to go to Surrey

[Medea Fleecestealer]

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	Seriously though- we normally drive or take the train to go to UK - sometimes fly to Luton ... being able to see my grandchildren and be available at the drop of a hat in an emergency, if I have to go via Dublin and take ferry, then rent a car- to go to Surrey

Really Odile, do you really believe any holdups are going to take longer than doing that sort of journey?

[Belgianmum]

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	Two different issues here. What triggered the recent comments here was the Daily Mail and other wonderful rags, moaning about tourists being held up for much longer than normal when going off on their jollies to Spain and other EU countries. Seriously though- we normally drive or take the train to go to UK - sometimes fly to Luton ... being able to see my grandchildren and be available at the drop of a hat in an emergency, if I have to go via Dublin and take ferry, then rent a car- to go to Surrey

Why wouldn't you still be able to fly to Luton? People fly between non EU countries all the time, do you think they'll stop flights to the UK just because they leave the EU?

A little bit of a a hold isn't going to make that much difference to your journey even if you go by train or car now is it?

There will undoubtably be changes once Brexit comes into force but I think yo're being a bit over dramatic here.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	J2488
	Sorry, but that is nonsense. The UK will import slightly fewer german cars, but they wont dry up completely - the people buying them will just pay more for them. .

They won't pay more, the Germans will have to cover the cost, just as they have covered the exchange rate change over the last year. Thats how business works, the Japanese have been doing it for 40 years.

[marton]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Why wouldn't you still be able to fly to Luton? People fly between non EU countries all the time, do you think they'll stop flights to the UK just because they leave the EU? A little bit of a a hold isn't going to make that much difference to your journey even if you go by train or car now is it? There will undoubtably be changes once Brexit comes into force but I think yo're being a bit over dramatic here.

"do you think they'll stop flights to the UK just because they leave the EU?" Ryanair has warned it will have to halt flights from the UK for “weeks or months” if Theresa May does not seal an early bilateral Brexit deal on international aviation.

Source

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Except having the cash in you pockets to pay for it.... UK purchasing power is on the decline...

Those wines are considerably cheaper than French wine, so it's an obvious thing to do when money is tight. UK Purchasing power is not that different to 4-5 years ago, it's been considerably weaker since 1973 as well.