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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 01.09.2017, 19:06
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Meanwhile the Daily Mail is preparing for a new dawn of EU-sanctioned dirty carpets.

God, I love reading the comment sections...
You have stronger stomach than I do. I read a few on your implied recommendation. Now I need a beer to wash the taste away.
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Just imagine, for example, what Catalonia may have to deal with if independence can go through. Or Scotland ... Corsica ... Britanny ... Wales .... Bavaria ....Transylvania
Not very likely. Most people in Wales don't want Wales to become independent.
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Meanwhile the Daily Mail is preparing for a new dawn of EU-sanctioned dirty carpets.

God, I love reading the comment sections...
There's even one (from England, Canada, wherever that is) quoting "a Russian observer's" negative take on the EU.
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Old 01.09.2017, 21:54
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What about pre 2007........... EU has been around more than 10 years.
Have you actually bothered to read the proposed calculation method? Obviously not otherwise you'd know that theses accounts are not relevant to the method!

So put down the shovel for a while and take a breath!
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Old 01.09.2017, 22:26
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Meanwhile the Daily Mail is preparing for a new dawn of EU-sanctioned dirty carpets.

God, I love reading the comment sections...
Seems the original proposal for low powered vacuum cleaners came from the UK so dirty carpets seem to be in the Brexit future also
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Old 03.09.2017, 17:48
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Have you actually bothered to read the proposed calculation method? Obviously not otherwise you'd know that theses accounts are not relevant to the method!

So put down the shovel for a while and take a breath!
Proposed & approved by whom I don't think the Brits have agreed to anything, your the one who needs to stand back & take a breath.

Most interesting position would no agreement on anything & the UK stops all payments to the EU. Refuse further talk for 18 months & see what is on the table in full & final settlement then.

Never rush an important contract would be my advise.
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Old 03.09.2017, 19:41
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Proposed & approved by whom I don't think the Brits have agreed to anything, your the one who needs to stand back & take a breath.
We'll take that as a no then.

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Most interesting position would no agreement on anything & the UK stops all payments to the EU. Refuse further talk for 18 months & see what is on the table in full & final settlement then.

Never rush an important contract would be my advise.
And when you turn up in 18 months time, with one month to go and the situation is still the same, what would you do then??? At that point of course you'd have missed the open skies agreement window, the great unwashed would by crying out for their cheap holidays in the sun, the unfavourable FX rate would have started to hitting food prices and the reality of BREXIT would have started to kick in.... Yep, a great strategy...
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What about pre 2007........... EU has been around more than 10 years.
It was indeed a criticism that carried a lot of weight. I recall it being used 20 years ago.

When EU-bashers still use it, it reflects poorly on their ability to keep up to date with current affairs.
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Old 03.09.2017, 20:12
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Most interesting position would no agreement on anything & the UK stops all payments to the EU. Refuse further talk for 18 months & see what is on the table in full & final settlement then.
You have no idea how difficult the French could make life for British companies exporting goods through France.
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Old 03.09.2017, 20:17
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You have no idea how difficult the French could make life for British companies exporting goods through France.
They could be difficult, their lorry drivers frequently go on strike & block all roads as it is, so I will take that as business as usual. Better to find a long term strategy that does not involve France.
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Old 03.09.2017, 22:07
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They could be difficult, their lorry drivers frequently go on strike & block all roads as it is, so I will take that as business as usual. Better to find a long term strategy that does not involve France.
Same difference, that merely shifts the power to delay or block transports to some other EU/EFTA country the goods enter the EEA at.

Plus, with air transport not an option you have to use sea transport. How much is spare port capacity did you say?
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Meanwhile the Daily Mail is preparing for a new dawn of EU-sanctioned dirty carpets.

God, I love reading the comment sections...
Imagine enforcing what vacuum cleaner you're allowed to use though. By law.

Brexit explained in a nutshell.
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Old 05.09.2017, 09:30
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Imagine enforcing what vacuum cleaner you're allowed to use though. By law.

Brexit explained in a nutshell.
Except it sets a manufacturing standard and since the law was introduced in 2014 power consumption has gone down and suction force has gone up. And had the U.K. government would have liked to have even lower energy consumption rules.

BREXIT ignorance explained!
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Except it sets a manufacturing standard and since the law was introduced in 2014 power consumption has gone down and suction force has gone up. And had the U.K. government would have liked to have even lower energy consumption rules.

BREXIT ignorance explained!
Why should an authority, any authority, dictate what kind of vacuum cleaner you use?

Any process which removes a layer of government dictating what you can and can't do is a good thing.
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And from the latest round of negotiations its clear that the EU is shitting bricks that they're not going to get any money out of the UK. The move not to publish any paper on the financial settlement is proving to be a good one.
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Serious, genuine question...do you know the meaning of the phrase 'shitting bricks'? It does not seem like you do.
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Why should an authority, any authority, dictate what kind of vacuum cleaner you use?

Any process which removes a layer of government dictating what you can and can't do is a good thing.
But there will not be a layer of Govt. removed, you do not seem to understand what Brexit will deliver?.

Whatever EU authority was responsible to issue this directive will simply be duplicated in the UK after Brexit.
Anyway the power limit only applies to "domestic" vacuum cleaners you can still buy more powerful "commercial/industrial" vacuum cleaners.
This law is not new; the limit for vacuum cleaners was 1,600W and is now reduced to 900W.

From Which magazine "But the reduction in power is no cause for panic. Over the past 60 years we have tested thousands of vacuum cleaners and found that motor size is very rarely an indicator of cleaning ability."

From Dyson "“When the ErP (Energy related Products) legislation was first mooted, we were campaigning for lower limits – in fact we wanted a 700 watt limit,” " He said he can make a 700W vacuum that cleans as well as ones with more powerful motors.

Read here.
The UK Govt. supported the idea so Brexit will not change this!
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Why should an authority, any authority, dictate what kind of vacuum cleaner you use?

Any process which removes a layer of government dictating what you can and can't do is a good thing.
Because the climate is seriously f**ked and they're trying to moderate the amount the level of upf**kedess. Little more than window dressing I acknowledge but even "little more" is better than absolutely nothing.

Regulation of this type is beneficial as it forces a rethink on the part of manufacturers to make equipment more efficient in areas where most people simply don't think about it - otherwise allowing the manufacturers to sit on their collective ar**s and do nothing meaningful.
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Jeremy Corbyn will instruct his MPs to vote against the Repeal Bill at the conclusion of its second reading next week, according to reports.

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Every week a different approach?
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Why should an authority, any authority, dictate what kind of vacuum cleaner you use?

Any process which removes a layer of government dictating what you can and can't do is a good thing.
Except it's only the DM which is using vocabulary such as "dictating" and "forcing" just to pump up its readers and garner the clicks and shares.

In reality, it's just technology has moved on and the power to performance has improved massively.

Nobody seems to be complaining that vacuum cleaners are now costing buttons compared to how they were priced 25 years ago. Nope, everyone is clutching at their pearls over the fact they are having their 'yuman rights' chipped away because the tabloids told them they are being forced to buy a vacuum cleaner that sucks (or not).

EU or non-EU, this kind of household tech is always going to move on. Microwaves, hairdryers, washing machines, lightbulbs - likely all use less power but run more efficiently (faster, hotter, quicker, cleaner) but the good old Daily Mail or The Sun are using as dog-whistle journalism.
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