The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Moodys have downgraded the UK's credit rating again... http://news.sky.com/story/moodys-dow...fears-11048793

The fear that JC will become PM & spunk loads of dosh is very real, little to do with BREXIT.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The fear that JC will become PM & spunk loads of dosh is very real, little to do with BREXIT.

You didn't bother reading the link then.

Brexit and current government spending fears. Nothing remotely to do with JC.

Front National second largest party in France.
PVV second largest party in Holland.
AfD third largest party in Germany.

But what does Brexit mean?
RAYSISSTS!

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	If you are still interested in what anyone says about Brexit, Mrs May has made the speech in Florence, Italy, http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41355642 http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-41359581 EU negotiator Mr Barnier is expected to release a written statement on Mrs May's speech later.....

Shit house Tory politicians doing their best to Barrymore Brexit. A pox on the lot of them. May is the lamest of lame ducks and needs getting rid of. Same goes for her useless chancellor. And anyone who thinks Boris is the answer needs to be put out to pasture too. Him and his backstabbing buddy Gove have too much ambition for themselves to be trusted. Just imagine that infighting, ambition and pettiness within one party could screw this up. David Davis is the only one that consistently comes across well.

[Sbrinz]

For once in a long time I agree with you Loz, except for the choice of David Davis!

Another politician calls him thick, lazy and conceited, and considering the progress he has achieved, I can understand why.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...thick-as-mince

I believe the remainers in the government put this name Davis forward, knowing he won't achieve half of anything.
Then, when the talks fail completely, the government can call another referendum and cancel the whole Brexit challenge.

Sory Loz, it looks like bad news for your Brexit ideas!

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	But what does Brexit mean? RAYSISSTS!

They jumped onboard the bandwagon, but I've always found that Brexit supporters have a pitiful understanding of basic economics. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of passporting in financial institutes, but I do have a basic grasp on the EU-US Open Skies Agreement and it's economic impact.

The fact that you keep papping on about racists only shows that the disgustingly simplistic sound bites worked on you, and you don't understand the huge, very tangled, economic impact.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	I believe the remainers in the government put this name Davis forward, knowing he won't achieve half of anything. Then, when the talks fail completely, the government can call another referendum and cancel the whole Brexit challenge. Sory Loz, it looks like bad news for your Brexit ideas!

If anyone fancies a good laugh today, read the comments on the the Conservative Party's facebook page. They're hilarious in an "Et tu Brute" kind of way.

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	For once in a long time I agree with you Loz, except for the choice of David Davis! Another politician calls him thick, lazy and conceited, and considering the progress he has achieved, I can understand why. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...thick-as-mince I believe the remainers in the government put this name Davis forward, knowing he won't achieve half of anything. Then, when the talks fail completely, the government can call another referendum and cancel the whole Brexit challenge. Sory Loz, it looks like bad news for your Brexit ideas!

What Theresa May set out in her ridiculous speech was basically the basis for a type of associate membership which neither Remainers nor Leavers particularly want, and will likely end up being the worse of both.

The problem is, and always has been that the Tories of split over the matter of Brexit. Add to that the infighting and ambition to get the top job and you end up with the mess we're seeing unfold before our eyes. The ridiculous political set up means no one is able to hold them to account. Labour are a joke.

In all this David Davis is the only one that has consistently appeared to have a vision of the direction he would like Brexit to go. He's lucid and old enough not to get himself wrapped up in the party politics.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	In all this David Davis is the only one that has consistently appeared to have a vision of the direction he would like Brexit to go. He's lucid and old enough not to get himself wrapped up in the party politics.

Right and the first thing he did was to accept the EU requirements to address the exit issues before opening trade talks without even a whimper......

Labour won't even bring themselves to hold a debate and vote on Brexit at their party conference. Useless, the lot of them.

[Blueangel]

Oh I totally agree with you there Loz. They've lost their way. I heard all the theories about how the questions for debate were chosen yesterday, but they're behaving like a local council, not the country's government opposition.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Labour won't even bring themselves to hold a debate and vote on Brexit at their party conference. Useless, the lot of them.

It struck me recently when listening to Corbyn that his real problem with the EU is that membership would prevent him from nationalizing or subsidizing industry.

[Reb77Br]

That the EU prevents renationalisation is another EU myth busted by Labour MEP Richard Corbett:

“Renationalisation is impossible under EU rules”: Really?

Perhaps Jeremy just says whatever his handlers tells him. According to "All out war: How Brexit sank Britain's political class", Seamus Milne and John McDonnell have him "by the ears".


Jeremy Corbyn and Seumas Milne arrive at Broadcasting House ahead of Corbyn’s appearance on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday. (source)

[amogles]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	That the EU prevents renationalisation is another EU myth busted by Labour MEP Richard Corbett: “Renationalisation is impossible under EU rules”: Really? Perhaps Jeremy just says whatever his handlers tells him. According to "All out war: How Brexit sank Britain's political class", Seamus Milne and John McDonnell have him "by the ears". Jeremy Corbyn and Seumas Milne arrive at Broadcasting House ahead of Corbyn’s appearance on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday. (source)

Bit of a misleading one here

	Quote:
	It’s particularly crazy to hear this myth quoted with reference to the railways. Numerous EU countries have publicly-owned railways! Have eurosceptics never been on a train in France, Germany or Italy? (To prove the point, even within the UK, Northern Ireland’s railways are publicly owned.)

The railways in the Uk are still technically publically owned. What is privatized is the operations side.And it's not as if DB has a monopoly in Germany or SNCF in France. On the contrary, DB has lost many routes to competitors. The local lines on the German side of the border in Basel have been taken over by SBB. There was also a British operator, Arriva, who took over a number of regional lines in Germany. They were so succesful that DB ended up buying them out. But there are others out there still, and DB need to stay on their toes if they don't want to lose vast swathes of their network. Similarly DB lost its monopoly in freight trains years ago and there are now at least a dozen operators competing in Germany.

Maybe one difference is the way it is managed and regulated. Buit that's not the same as saying privatization doesn't happen.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	That the EU prevents renationalisation is another EU myth busted by Labour MEP Richard Corbett:

I was thinking more about advantaging home industries in general.

[Sbrinz]

After Brexit, a taste of things to come?

The Prime Minister said the UK would work with Bombardier to protect "vital" jobs after the US Department of Commerce proposed the 220% import tariff.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181

[marton]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	After Brexit, a taste of things to come? The Prime Minister said the UK would work with Bombardier to protect "vital" jobs after the US Department of Commerce proposed the 220% import tariff. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181

You forget the MAY/Trump special relationship!

This has zero to do with Brexit and is purely a political struggle between the US and Canada. This tariff has been imposed basically at the request of Boeing in order to stifle competition.

[Sbrinz]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This has zero to do with Brexit and is purely a political struggle between the US and Canada. This tariff has been imposed basically at the request of Boeing in order to stifle competition.

Quite: Keep jobs for America, and 25% of Belfast workers can whistle for their supper! Maybe we can slap a 220% tariff on Boeing!

	Quote:	marton
	You forget the MAY/Trump special relationship!

It certainly looks to me like the great USA deal maker is not being pleasant to his "friends" in Anglo Saxon lands.

So much for free trade deals after Brexit. The future looks even worse today.

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	Quite: Keep jobs for America, and 25% of Belfast workers can whistle for their supper! Maybe we can slap a 220% tariff on Boeing! It certainly looks to me like the great USA deal maker is not being pleasant to his "friends" in Anglo Saxon lands. So much for free trade deals after Brexit. The future looks even worse today.

Bombardier is a Canadian company.
The UK is still in the EU.
Neither the UK nor the EU has a trade deal with the United States.

HTH.