The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	I agree about some of the Brexiteers but exactly how many hard liners exist is a good question! Let us not forget earlier this year "Theresa May calls for general election to secure Brexit mandate" Her Brexit mandate was not secured, quite the opposite! So how many people feel strongly about Brexit is open to question?

I don't agree.

The election reverted to party politics, and was interupted by two major terrorist attacks, to the extent that Brexit became a lesser issue. If Corbyn was strongly anti-Brexit and didn't have a 30yr history of EU-scepticism, we may have seen a different result. The only 3 Brexiteers that I know personally, are all massive Corbynites.

The biggest complaint I heard from a Labour activist friend (who incidentally, isn't a Corbynite) was that Labour didn't have a well thought out foreign policy. He was still banging on about this last week after the party conference. The GE became about May saying "There is no magic money tree", whilst Labour claimed to have a forest full of them.

However, try posting anything anti-Brexit on social media and you'll see the full venom of the Leavers. Right click onto their profiles, and you'll find a hell of a lot of Momentum members amongst them too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b01cc57ff2b51a

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Lets look at the last 6 months. This is puffery tabloid journalism, pure and simple.

This was the tabloid report that flagged up Sterling's drop to me. I checked the facts against Bloomberg and Reuters before making my post.

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	POUND EURO LIVE: Pound PLUMMETS as Barnier delivers 'deadlocked' Brexit update THE pound crashed against the euro after Michel Barnier said there had not been enough progress in Brexit talks amid a pivotal update from the European Union's chief negotiator and Britain's David Davis

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...-news-interest

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Let's have a look at the real long term picture then... If you zoom in far enough you can make any point you want.

You truly are the Groundskeeper of the EF. Nobody moves more goalposts.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Let's have a look at the real long term picture then... If you zoom in far enough you can make any point you want.

By all means look at the last 10yrs if you like. Compare the 2008 financial crash to the last few days. While you're at it, why don't you work out the percentage of value wiped off Sterling against the same date 2 and 3 yrs ago?

Personally, in real terms, it's meant a free brand new bathroom, kitchen and central heating system so far.

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I don't agree. The election reverted to party politics, and was interupted by two major terrorist attacks, to the extent that Brexit became a lesser issue. If Corbyn was strongly anti-Brexit and didn't have a 30yr history of EU-scepticism, we may have seen a different result. The only 3 Brexiteers that I know personally, are all massive Corbynites. The biggest complaint I heard from a Labour activist friend (who incidentally, isn't a Corbynite) was that Labour didn't have a well thought out foreign policy. He was still banging on about this last week after the party conference. The GE became about May saying "There is no magic money tree", whilst Labour claimed to have a forest full of them. However, try posting anything anti-Brexit on social media and you'll see the full venom of the Leavers. Right click onto their profiles, and you'll find a hell of a lot of Momentum members amongst them too. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b01cc57ff2b51a

"try posting anything anti-Brexit on social media " and you will get swarmed over by Russian Bots.

	Quote:	marton
	"try posting anything anti-Brexit on social media " and you will get swarmed over by Russian Bots.

Really? I'm bored waiting for the home-time bell so going to try it out.

Will report back...

[Blueangel]

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	Really? I'm bored waiting for the home-time bell so going to try it out. Will report back...

You can spot the bots a mile off. Besides the stream of random numbers after a common forename, just have a peek at their profiles

	Quote:
	You truly are the Groundskeeper of the EF. Nobody moves more goalposts.

You just seem a bit clueless on how a discussion works.

Me: This is shite journalism, in the context of the day nothing has changed.
Me: To further illustrate this, lets look at the history over the last 6 months.
Mr Baboon: Look at the last 2 years! Brexit has had an effect on the Pound! (A point I never argued, and your movement of the goalposts)

	Quote:	Blueangel
	This was the tabloid report that flagged up Sterling's drop to me. I checked the facts against Bloomberg and Reuters before making my post. http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...-news-interest

Thanks you for proving my point. Bloomberg and Reuters are in good company.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You just seem a bit clueless on how a discussion works.

Let me help you out with something more your speed, Groundskeeper.

You cut the grass on the field. People report this - look, due to Groundskeeper Loz cutting the grass, it is now shorter.

A week later, the grass has regrown to its former length. You now see this and condemn everyone who said it was shorter a week ago as Fake News.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You just seem a bit clueless on how a discussion works. Me: This is shite journalism, in the context of the day nothing has changed. Me: To further illustrate this, lets look at the history over the last 6 months. Mr Baboon: Look at the last 2 years! Brexit has had an effect on the Pound! (A point I never argued, and your movement of the goalposts) Thanks you for proving my point. Bloomberg and Reuters are in good company.

Sterling fell after reports of a deadlock in Brexit talks. The newspapers correctly reported this fall.

Later in the day Sterling rose again which the newspapers also correctly reported.

You called the report of the fall "fake news" when it was actually correct as proven by the graph you published

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Thanks you for proving my point. Bloomberg and Reuters are in good company.

Loz catches up on current affairs...

	Quote:
	Let me help you out with something more your speed, Groundskeeper. You cut the grass on the field. People report this - look, due to Groundskeeper Loz cutting the grass, it is now shorter. A week later, the grass has regrown to its former length. You now see this and condemn everyone who said it was shorter a week ago as Fake News.

You and 22 yards should start a group where you can share your shit analogies with each other.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You and 22 yards should start a group where you can share your shit analogies with each other.

Please point out the fault in my analogy.

[Jim2007]

UK farmers will 'grow more food' if no Brexit deal - minister

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	Sainsbury's chairman David Tyler told the Sunday Times that a no-deal Brexit could result in an average 22% tariff on all EU food bought by British retailers.

This whole article seems to be based on the assumption that the UK would impose tariffs on food imports, thus increasing consumer prices, but why? Why would the punish themselves????

[marton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	UK farmers will 'grow more food' if no Brexit deal - minister This whole article seems to be based on the assumption that the UK would impose tariffs on food imports, thus increasing consumer prices, but why? Why would the punish themselves????

The National Farmers Union has said the UK's ability to feed itself has stagnated and if the country relied entirely on home-grown produce, the cupboard would look bare after about seven months.

Pity they do not equip Cabinet Ministers with brains!

Good question "Why would the punish themselves?"

According to the link you gave - EU imports will be subject to new tariffs under World Trade Organisation Most Favoured Nation tariff rates.
Does the UK have to adopt this tariff? I do not know

[rainer_d]

Just a thought: where does the UK get fertilizer and pesticides/insecticides from?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	rainer_d
	Just a thought: where does the UK get fertilizer and pesticides/insecticides from?

Lots about total imports out there, but nothing really about sources. I read at one stage that Cork is the 7th biggest manufacturing site in the world and given the weight of the stuff plus proximity I guess that there is a good chance a fair amount of it comes from there. So payment in Euro.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	According to the link you gave - EU imports will be subject to new tariffs under World Trade Organisation Most Favoured Nation tariff rates. Does the UK have to adopt this tariff? I do not know

Well given the current objections to their full membership, perhaps they could argue not... although it might make full membership more difficult!

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Well given the current objections to their full membership, perhaps they could argue not... although it might make full membership more difficult!

When will the world finally stop being egotistic and obstructive! The EU is giving the UK a hard enough time already!

[Jim2007]

New figures show Britain £500bn poorer than thought

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	The revision to the national accounts in the Office of National Statistic's (ONS) so-called Blue Book means that the UK's net international investment position has collapsed from a surplus of £469bn to a net deficit of £22bn - equivalent to a quarter of GDP.

At the rate things are going the banking crisis will be a foot note in the history books for this period. It is simply beyond believe that we have got to this situation...