The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I've said numerous times on here that I don't like the UK's political system. And I'd happily see it abolished for PR and direct democracy.

Finally! Something we agree upon!

This is the precise reason I voted Liberal back in the '80's. It's been a key feature of their manifesto since Adam was a lad. But save us from the American system. It's like watching 1,000 episodes of Eastenders back to back.

	Quote:	lewton
	Please vote leave (seriously).

NO!!!

Even if I wanted to, I can't. My Greek mother-out-law would ban me from the house and I'm more scared of Yiayia than any politician on the planet

[dodgyken]

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	That's how Stalin ran the USSR, isn't it?

You're thinking of Hitler and Germany.
Or was it Gaddafi and Libya.
Or some other dictator with dodgy facial hair

As for PR in the UK - ROFLMAO

That would require all the parties to work together for the good of the country!

[curley]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	NO!!! Even if I wanted to, I can't. My Greek mother-out-law would ban me from the house and I'm more scared of Yiayia than any politician on the planet

This is exactly how political matters should not be decided on

[amogles]

	Quote:	dodgyken
	As for PR in the UK - ROFLMAO That would require all the parties to work together for the good of the country!

If all politicians collectively committed suicide they would do more good for he country than in any political plan they are capabale of hatching out.

	Quote:	lewton
	I thought the thing about the French social justice and the Romanian turnip farmers was referring to something specific. In any event, I strongly disagree with you. As much as in any country, the liberals will push for liberal policies, the socialists with push for "socialist" policies (like Blair's Labour government did in the UK or the French government is doing right now), the conservatives will push for conservative policies etc. It's your expectation that the British MEPs should vote for "British" policies that convinces me that your country should actually be asked to leave the EU. Not allowed to leave the EU but actively asked to leave. The UK being part of the EU never worked and never will. CDG was right. And this without any kind of bitterness. We are just too different. So let's part ways in a friendly and mature manner.

That ungrateful sh!t de Gaulle was right, he just shouldn't have singled out the UK. Culturally the UK is very different from the EU ideal. But then again so is Greece, and so is Bulgaria.

Do you not see that there is no policies that will ever fit across the continent. You say "socialists with push for "socialist" policies", but what may seem reasonable in Germany could be seen as totally alien in a country getting over the hangover of communism. There is no United States of Europe.

[Batcow]

Post-Brexit, what actually would be the situation for British people applying for jobs in Switzerland, or in France or Germany for that matter? Are employers compelled to discriminate against us? i.e. to prove that they can't find a Swiss or EU citizen qualified to do the job? In Switzerland would we still qualify for chomage in that case?

I find it difficult to believe there would be no negative consequences particularly as we would discriminate against Europeans in Britain, especially those who want to work there.

[Chuff]

	Quote:	Batcow
	Post-Brexit, what actually would be the situation for British people applying for jobs in Switzerland, or in France or Germany for that matter? Are employers compelled to discriminate against us? i.e. to prove that they can't find a Swiss or EU citizen qualified to do the job? In Switzerland would we still qualify for chomage in that case? I find it difficult to believe there would be no negative consequences particularly as we would discriminate against Europeans in Britain, especially those who want to work there.

We would discriminate against low-paid menial workers coming to the UK and undercutting wages, but likely not for skilled roles.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

As Switzerland also isn't in the EU they can make separate agreements with the UK.

Only if/when it happens will anyone start to think along those lines so no one can say what the situation will be at the moment. It'll all take years to sort out anyway so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[Tinkiwinki]

	Quote:	lewton
	How do you guys expect the referendum to impact the EUR/CHF rate on a short term? I think that if the answer is no to Brexit, then the euro could go up for some time, close to 1,20 CHF. Does this make sense? I'd like to transfer some euros back to CH (the money I took out when I moved to Germany, and because I was lucky I paid some 1,03 CHF per EUR back then ).

It is unsure. its close to 50/50 and every poll is different. You may want to take your profit while you can. But when GBP to USD will go down after Brexit so will CHF to USD. It may not change a whole lot in EUR to CHF

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...n-poll-reveals

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	Tinkiwinki
	But when GBP to USD will go down after Brexit so will CHF to USD.

Hahaha wishful thinking

[marton]

	Quote:	amogles
	If all politicians collectively committed suicide they would do more good for he country than in any political plan they are capabale of hatching out.

But then what on earth would we find to discuss?

p.s. Have you ever considered a spelling checker?

[marton]

	Quote:	Tinkiwinki
	It is unsure. its close to 50/50 and every poll is different. You may want to take your profit while you can. But when GBP to USD will go down after Brexit so will CHF to USD. It may not change a whole lot in EUR to CHF http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...n-poll-reveals

Ah, the joys of a leap into the dark

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	marton
	But then what on earth would we find to discuss? p.s. Have you ever considered a spelling checker?

Why, the weather of course! What else.

[marton]

	Quote:	Chuff
	We would discriminate against low-paid menial workers coming to the UK and undercutting wages, but likely not for skilled roles.

So nobody would do the low-paid menial work

[Tinkiwinki]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Hahaha wishful thinking

slow down of economic growth will depreciate the GBP. Same happens in Euroland and drags the european non Euro countries with them.

Not saying that Britain will exit the EU. I don't expect that happening. Bremain does not sound as good as Brexit though

[marton]

Comments please?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	Comments please?

Might as well be sat outside Migros at 2am on a Sunday morning with a 5 CHF coin, a 100 CHF shopping list and starving.

[marton]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	1. Negotiating an FTA doesn't mean you can't negotiate with anyone else 2. The UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world 3. Having a trade agreement negotiated by the UK actually means the UK can get one that benefits the UK instead of a hodge podge of compromises that is tailored to the rest of the EU (given the differences between the UK and rest of EU economy). Currently the EU negotiated trade deals may not be in the UK interest 4. The UK economy has a huge service component - something that the EU cares so little about that they haven't even opened up the internal EU service trade (mostly as an internal protectionist measure against the UK). It is also reflected in the fact that that 2 in 3 EU trade deals don't even covers trade in services! The UK would be able to negotiate better trade deals than the EU and faster too. The UK has been harmed during its period of membership in the EU during which it has been blocked from concluding its own trade agreements.

As a matter of interest who do you think will negotiate/organise the new trade deals on behalf of the UK?
All the expertise is currently in the EU?
Nobody in the UK has negotiated a trade deal in 20 years!

I suppose there will be a requirement to organise deals with the EU, US, Asian countries, Middle East, South American countries, former British Commonwealth countries plus more?
I foresee a huge increase in UK Civil Servants.

Quote from today's Guardian "The full scale of the task facing Whitehall will become clear. The UK will have to renegotiate 80,000 pages of EU agreements, deciding those to be kept in UK law and those to jettison."

Source

Quote from today's ft "The only UK officials with the skills to negotiate trade deals at present are with the commission itself. Even if we repatriated them all, we would struggle to put together a team of more than 25 people with the practical experience needed.
Hiring (and then co-ordinating) 475 negotiators of other nationalities will require more than good luck."

Source

This is very much like the problem that companies face who have outsourced some activities then later want to bring them back in house. It is a very difficult, sometimes impossible task. The skills are gone, the experience is gone and relevant detailed documentation may not be available or was translated to another language!

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	marton
	As a matter of interest who do you think will negotiate/organise the new trade deals on behalf of the UK? All the expertise is currently in the EU? Nobody in the UK has negotiated a trade deal in 20 years!

I wouldn't be so worried. The UK is one of the biggest and richest countries in the EU. If they leave, then more will leave soon as someone needs to compensate the UK contributions.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Finally! Something we agree upon! This is the precise reason I voted Liberal back in the '80's. It's been a key feature of their manifesto since Adam was a lad. But save us from the American system. It's like watching 1,000 episodes of Eastenders back to back.

So you're pro electoral reform and pro EU, how does that work then? You're happy to be a member of an anti democratic organisation where your vote goes nowhere but want more say in the what goes on in the UK? It doesn't make sense.