The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	marton
	Ten rubbish content posts today; could it be you plan to sell something

Were that the criterion, a few people on this thread would have put eBay out of business.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	ajw
	All that matters is the vote of the people, and such they have spoken. Tells your more about our corrupt system when the will of the people is not being carried out.

The only problem with that lies in the fact that the UK is not a democracy.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	The only problem with that lies in the fact that the UK is not a democracy.

Bingo!

We are only in this mess because of a cowardly abroagation of duty by our elected representatives.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	The only problem with that lies in the fact that the UK is not a democracy.

I would not agree with that. There are lots of countries that have sovereign parliaments and it works. I think it is more a case of ignorance of how the country is governed - on the one hand they argue to return to power to their sovereign parliament while at the same time complain that it does not act as a sovereign people.

I have no idea how civic duty is thought in the UK, in Ireland it certainly is not, but then again politics is a national pass time, so it is hard to avoid!

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	I would not agree with that. There are lots of countries that have sovereign parliaments and it works. I think it is more a case of ignorance of how the country is governed - on the one hand they argue to return to power to their sovereign parliament while at the same time complain that it does not act as a sovereign people. I have no idea how civic duty is thought in the UK, in Ireland it certainly is not, but then again politics is a national pass time, so it is hard to avoid!

My reply referred to the post, not to Brexit or the vote or UK parliament. The poster isn't aware that the UK is not a democracy, nor that the vote wasn't even binding.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	My reply referred to the post, not to Brexit or the vote or UK parliament. The poster isn't aware that the UK is not a democracy, nor that the vote wasn't even binding.

Depending how you look at it, no vote is binding as in theory and in some deep parallel universe, the Queen can dissolve parliament and do exactly as she likes.

But in practice, no, she can't.

	Quote:	amogles
	Depending how you look at it, no vote is binding as in theory and in some deep parallel universe, the Queen can dissolve parliament and do exactly as she likes. But in practice, no, she can't.

Yes, but you are taking it to extremes.

The Brexit referendum was purely advisory and holds no legal weight in terms of Parliament having to abide by it.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	amogles
	Depending how you look at it, no vote is binding as in theory and in some deep parallel universe, the Queen can dissolve parliament and do exactly as she likes. But in practice, no, she can't.

There's no such thing as a public vote that's binding for the Queen. The people are her subjects, not the other way round.

[marton]

In the first nine months of the year, UK car manufacturing fell 2.2% compared with the same period last year, with 1.256m cars made.
The drop was driven by the sharp fall in domestic demand as well as a 1.1% in vehicles bound for export markets which account for about 80% of the total, this despite a ca. 15% fall in sterling. It was expected the lower £ would increase exports..
The latest figures show a fall of 4.1% in September compared with a year earlier.

Toyota has warned the government to “lift the fog” surrounding Brexit negotiations and secure a deal that would safeguard the competitiveness of its Derbyshire factory where it employs about 3,000 people.

In the aftermath of the Brexit vote, the rival Japanese carmaker Nissan pledged to invest more in its UK plant in Sunderland by building new versions of its Qashqai and X-Trail, but only after its chief executive received private assurances from the government about the UK’s withdrawal from the EU.

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The UK racked up a record trade in goods deficit in August, confirming the failure for the slump in sterling to help improve the UK's trade balance. The Office for National Statistics reported that the UK exported £28.1bn of goods in the month and imported £42.4bn, leaving a trade deficit of £14.2bn, the highest on record.

Over the three months to August exports fell 2.7 per cent while imports rose 3.9 per cent.

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Disappointing! Does not augur well for post Brexit when the pound will hopefully recover value!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	The UK racked up a record trade in goods deficit in August, confirming the failure for the slump in sterling to help improve the UK's trade balance.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that one of the reasons for the failure was that the boys upped their prices and pocket the advantage rather than letting grow their market and business...

Lest we forget the reaction by some on here when I suggested Bloomberg weren't being objective in their reporting on Brexit.

Michael Bloomberg: Brexit is stupidest thing any country has done besides Trump

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Lest we forget the reaction by some on here when I suggested Bloomberg weren't being objective in their reporting on Brexit. Michael Bloomberg: Brexit is stupidest thing any country has done besides Trump

Bloomberg News were reporting on facts. You are reporting the owner's opinion. There's the rub.

Interesting logic from Mr Bloomberg: "But what they are doing is not good and there is no easy way to get out of it because if they don’t pay a penalty, everyone else would drop out."

If the EU is so good, why would "everyone else ... drop out"?

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	Bloomberg News were reporting on facts. You are reporting the owner's opinion. There's the rub.

"The same doesn't apply to newspapers owned by Rupert Murdoch though"

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"The same doesn't apply to newspapers owned by Rupert Murdoch though"

For opinion pieces, I completely agree - of course it reflects the owner's views.

If we are talking about the same thing, where Bloomberg News reported a drop in Sterling price, then that is not an opinion piece. Empirically, the Sterling did drop on the accouncement of some adverse Brexit related news.

No need to worry anymore- David Davis is going to sort it all out by visiting Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia - at the 11th minute of the 59th hour. hurrah - cofefe

feel so relieved now

[Urs Max]

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	If the EU is so good, why would "everyone else ... drop out"?

Drop out of a Brexit deal that would otherwise enable a smooth exit, obviously, not out of the EU.

[youcannotbeserious]

	Quote:
	If the EU is so good, why would "everyone else ... drop out"?

You forgot the last bit, "But what they are doing is not good and there is no easy way to get out of it because if they don’t pay a penalty, everyone else would drop out. So they can’t get as good of a deal as they had before.”

If you can drop out and keep all the benefits of being in, they surely others would want to drop out. The famous "you cannot have your cake and eat it".

[marton]

Boris Johnson has unilaterally declared to EU citizens living in the UK that “your rights will be protected whatever happens” after Brexit.

Source

Another Boris promise that he is not in a position to deliver; shades of NHS

[Sbrinz]

In the Brexit negotiations, the EU are insisting that the Brexit bill should be finalised first.

However, the European Investment Bank will not return all the UK assets until 2054,

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41774817