The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Odile]

Have you compared a Swiss State pension to a UK one- or a teacher's pension for that matter, and the exchange rate? Happy to swap.

As for low education? There is 'low' and 'low' - not many of the ones I know who've had a low education did (edit) benefit from so called UK Public School and the Old Boys' Network that goes with it.

	Quote:	Odile
	A very moving letter from Robert Peston to his dead father - WHAT THE DO WE DO NOW? What the *uck indeed. : https://behindthepaywallblog.wordpre...f-the-country/

You can just imagine his old man's answer:

"Robert, stop being such a feckin melt"

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Have you compared a Swiss State pension to a UK one- or a teacher's pension for that matter, and the exchange rate? Happy to swap. As for low education? There is 'low' and 'low' - not many of the ones I know who've had a low education did not benefit from so called UK Public School and the Old Boys' Network that goes with it.

Nothing to compare, CHF is overvalued by almost 50% today. Add 400 for your insurance & its really not that bad. UK Teachers pension is gold plated, I wish I had one.

I have never worked with anyone that I met at school (other than my wife after retiring), never worked with anyone my parents knew, or any family connection. OBN is only useful if you choose to work in a profession that Old Boys historically indulged in.
If your good at what you do, you don't need a degree or connections a picture is worth a 1000 words, talent is obvious to those who are not atheistically illiterate, but why would I want to work for anyone who was, they would know someone who would work for less, substantially less so let them get what they deserve & pay for.

[Odile]

Nothing to compare between a Swiss State Pension and a UK one, or a Swiss Teacher's pension and UK one (never mind the exchange rate) - you are taking the XXXX here!

Basic State pension UK, £122.50 per week = £490 per month

Swiss basic:

You will receive a pension of CHF 1,175 per month if you have paid OASI contributions without interruption and your average annual income did not exceed CHF 14,100.
You will receive a pension of CHF 2,350 per month if you have paid OASI contributions without interruption and your average annual income was at least CHF 84,600.

As for Swiss teacher pension compared to UK one ...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Nothing to compare between a Swiss State Pension and a UK one, or a Swiss Teacher's pension and UK one (never mind the exchange rate) - you are taking the XXXX here! Basic State pension UK, £122.50 per week = £490 per month Swiss basic: You will receive a pension of CHF 1,175 per month if you have paid OASI contributions without interruption and your average annual income did not exceed CHF 14,100. You will receive a pension of CHF 2,350 per month if you have paid OASI contributions without interruption and your average annual income was at least CHF 84,600. As for Swiss teacher pension compared to UK one ...

You must remember you were contracted out of SERPS so the OAP is only a fraction of your pension. If you add the 391 a month health care cost for NHS after tax based on cost of living it's not so bad. UK pays far more social benefits than CH so they are not directly comparable.
Be brave & tell us how much you get from the Teachers Superannuation Pension fund.

If you wanted a Swiss pension, why did you not work in CH? Your choice 100%

[Odile]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If you wanted a Swiss pension, why did you not work in CH? Your choice 100%

Oh wise wise man- no sh*t Sherlock

£750- thanks (started late, finished early - you know legs mangled, babies, supporting someone in their career being unpaid assistant, learning a new language - oh yes - choice and al that (rhymes with ...). Mwah.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Oh wise wise man- no sh*t Sherlock £750- thanks (started late, finished early - you know legs mangled, babies, supporting someone in their career being unpaid assistant, learning a new language - oh yes - choice and al that (rhymes with ...). Mwah.

Having worked in the UK for 16 years, at £750 a month my UK pension would run out in under 7 years, but I don't expect anyone to cry

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	I'm not sure if you are deliberately misunderstanding the reasoning which has been pointed out to you several times: People who are tired of the Brexit debacle headed up by liars, incompetents and glory-seekers who couldn't negotiate their way out of a cupboard. You seem to nickname them "Remainers". People who are happy to swallow whatever bullshit is put out by the Brexit negotiators. You seem to nickname "Leavers".

Do you have any better suggestions for collective nouns?

And btw, it is you who has willfully misinterpreted my point.

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	Yawn. I'll be satisfied with hard fact, not some flim-flam to avoid commitment.

You'll be satisfied when the government shows their hand fully on citizens rights and offers everything up front without any comparable guarantees from the EU.

Then you can come along and say they're crap at negotiating.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You'll be satisfied when the government shows their hand fully on citizens rights and offers everything up front without any comparable guarantees from the EU. Then you can come along and say they're crap at negotiating. Thanks for clearing that up.

I will be happy when May makes at least one clear commitment on any Brexit topic, so far we just had vision statements and similar waffle.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	I will be happy when May makes at least one clear commitment on any Brexit topic, so far we just had vision statements and similar waffle.

Why would someone who does not want a deal bother to make any commitment?

	Quote:	MusicChick
	Back to Brexit - I have a hard time with the logic of the anger some people feel there, for "being misled". Isn't it again an issue of being able to think for oneself? Nobody was mislead. People wanted to believe something, so they did. Better own up to it instead posing for victims of the media..politicians, etc. People voted, so be it. At least they realize they have power to change things with their vote.

So, how would you interpret the rather racy claim on the now infamous bus? You remember the one where people were lead to believe that the NHS would be £350 million better off if they voted to leave the EU?

If that is not being "misleading" what is it?

"Misleading" was a byword for the entire campaign of both sides. "Thinking for oneself" is fabulous if you are given reasonable access to true and balanced information. You as an educator should know that more than anyone.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Do you have any better suggestions for collective nouns? And btw, it is you who has willfully misinterpreted my point.

I thought "Remainers" and "Leavers" where the accepted terms for each? What would you prefer to call them?

My point brings balance to your rather weird assertion that Remainers are being difficult because they don't accept all the airy-fairy bullshit from the government.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Why would someone who does not want a deal bother to make any commitment?

Simplist. Then she should make a firm commitment to "no deal" instead of dancing around the topic!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Simplist. Then she should make a firm commitment to "no deal" instead of dancing around the topic!

What don't you understand from 'No deal is better than a bad deal', it's clear that there will only be a deal if it''s beneficial to the UK, not just to be nice.

[baboon]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	What don't you understand from 'No deal is better than a bad deal', it's clear that there will only be a deal if it''s beneficial to the UK, not just to be nice.

How is that a firm commitment to no deal?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	baboon
	How is that a firm commitment to no deal?

It's a commitment to no deed for a deal, I don't think you negotiate very much. It's called a 'take away', makes the other side make concessions they would not otherwise make. If the EU wants to allow free trade & pay the UK 100 billion a year why would she turn it down?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It's a commitment to no deed for a deal, I don't think you negotiate very much. It's called a 'take away', makes the other side make concessions they would not otherwise make. If the EU wants to allow free trade & pay the UK 100 billion a year why would she turn it down?

Excellent strategy by May, the EU representatives are begging on their knees already.

[baboon]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It's a commitment to no deed for a deal, I don't think you negotiate very much. It's called a 'take away', makes the other side make concessions they would not otherwise make. If the EU wants to allow free trade & pay the UK 100 billion a year why would she turn it down?

Strange fantasy world you live in. Only trouble is, both sides know the UK needs a deal much more than the EU.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	baboon
	Strange fantasy world you live in. Only trouble is, both sides know the UK needs a deal much more than the EU.

Thats not true, the UK does not need a deal, it's a good spin by the EU & minority remoners.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Thats not true, the UK does not need a deal, it's a good spin by the EU & minority remoners.

What do you think is going to happen once the UK is cut off from essentially all continental airports? Just-In-Time and other production principles just got flushed down the drain, for instance. At best it requires increased warehousing (which don't exist, btw, and can't be built overnight), which increases cost thus drives production off the island. Next to no reserve harbor capacities, and transport via Dover will be slowed down as well (assuming the EU plays nice).