The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Having returned this weekend from almost 4 weeks in the UK, what hit me the most was how the cost of some groceries was reaching parity with Swiss prices. I was looking at the cost of coffee and milk...basic stuff...and thinking "That's the same as I pay in Switzerland", then instantly doing a double take because I hadn't converted to CHF. The price on the shelf tag was the same numbers as it would be in CHF.

Where the hell were you shopping? Fortnum & Mason?

Why do you even come up with such stuff when it's obviously bollocks?

1 Liter of Milk:

Coop Price - 1.55 chf / litre
Tesco Price - £0.48 / litre

Nescafe Gold Blend:

Coop Price: 6.35 chf /100g
Tesco Price: £3.85/100g

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Where the hell were you shopping? Fortnum & Mason? Why do you even come up with such stuff when it's obviously bollocks? 1 Liter of Milk: Coop Price - 1.55 chf / litre Tesco Price - £0.48 / litre Nescafe Gold Blend: Coop Price: 6.35 chf /100g Tesco Price: £3.85/100g

I am always staggered how cheap UK supermarkets are.
I buy Toblerone 150g for £1.00 Cadburys gram for gram costs more.

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perfectly happy to help people & have 1 million, those are not exclusive. Would my help go to iPhone owning youth in the UK or do you think I can help far more in India & Africa with education? Tax revenues increased in 1979 when max rate of tax drooped from 98% to 60% & the following year when it dropped to 40%. The poor paid a Base tax rate of 33% under old labour in 1978 with a tax free allowance of £720 & 20% base rate today with a tax free amount of £11,500. The poor have done extremely well out of the policy of lower taxes. I believe the government must ALWAYS run a balanced budget, otherwise we are making our children & grand children pay, that is not fair to those future generations due to governments over indulgence today.

A naïve expectation and misunderstanding of how it works, but with this perspective your opinions make sense. You talk a lot of Fairness yet I see nothing in your opinions which suggest you actually want a fairer society. Fair enough, but what's your point? You do realise Brexit is a massive swindle and very few will benefit?

Meanwhile, the gap between the haves and have-nots is out of control. But keep claiming the poor have never had it so good; it sounds brilliantly in touch with real life.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	A naïve expectation and misunderstanding of how it works, but with this perspective your opinions make sense. You talk a lot of Fairness yet I see nothing in your opinions which suggest you actually want a fairer society. Fair enough, but what's your point? You do realise Brexit is a massive swindle and very few will benefit? Meanwhile, the gap between the haves and have-nots is out of control. But keep claiming the poor have never had it so good; it sounds brilliantly in touch with real life.

Fair as in work 16 hours a day 7 days a week entitles you to 2.5 times as much money as if you only worked 40 hours a week. Really very simple I don't expect anything for nothing, where you want to be subsided by people who work longer & harder than you do.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Meanwhile, the gap between the haves and have-nots is out of control. But keep claiming the poor have never had it so good; it sounds brilliantly in touch with real life.

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	Trussell Trust food banks see a 45% spike in referrals for emergency food parcels in the two weeks before Christmas. Here’s how to help

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntar...dar-food-banks

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Meanwhile, the gap between the haves and have-nots is out of control. But keep claiming the poor have never had it so good; it sounds brilliantly in touch with real life.

When and where has taxation ever solved these problems of the haves and have-nots?

We also noticed how much more expensive the UK has become since we visited last January- and also how packaging has been changed to hide sme of those rises- same price or small rise, but much less product- often 20% or more less. Who are you to call it 'bollocks' giving the price of 2 items, one of them a luxury one? Doh.

I wonder when either you or FMF have spent a signficant period of time in the UK. Some people actually live in the UK (all my direct family for instance) with their families- and live normal lives, doing 'normal jobs' and do not live just hanging to the stock exchange.

So 16 hours 7 days a week - who is that FMF - and is this in short bursts or week in, week out. Some of my close relatives have very high end jobs, and work very long hours with huge responsibilities - so what re Brexit and price rises?

Shrinkflation has been condemned by many, including WHICH the consumer association.

Here are some before and after comparisons

Bird's Eye Fish fngers 336 gr for 2.35 now 280 gr (looks like same packet) for 2.50

Turkey from Asda 573gr pack for 3.50 now 500gr for 4.50 - a massive 47.3 % increase

Sausages Saisnburys 20 chipollatas/625 gr for 2.63 now 16 in a pack, 500gr, for 3.0 - a huge 42% increase

About the same for normal sausages - now a pack of 8 is a pack of 6- and again over 40% increase. Etc. etc.

The loo roll core was 4.5 cm now nearly 6 and the paper wound so loose that it practically falls off the roll. And so on ...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	We also noticed how much more expensive the UK has become since we visited last January- and also how packaging has been changed to hide sme of those rises- same price or small rise, but much less product- often 20% or more less. Who are you to call it 'bollocks' giving the price of 2 items, one of them a luxury one? Doh. I wonder when either you or FMF have spent a signficant period of time in the UK. Some people actually live in the UK (all my direct family for instance) with their families- and live normal lives, doing 'normal jobs' and do not live just hanging to the stock exchange. So 16 hours 7 days a week - who is that FMF - and is this in short bursts or week in, week out. Some of my close relatives have very high end jobs, and work very long hours with huge responsibilities - so what re Brexit and price rises? Shrinkflation has been condemned by many, including WHICH the consumer association. Here are some before and after comparisons Bird's Eye Fish fngers 336 gr for 2.35 now 280 gr (looks like same packet) for 2.50 Turkey from Asda 573gr pack for 3.50 now 500gr for 4.50 - a massive 47.3 % increase Sausages Saisnburys 20 chipollatas/625 gr for 2.63 now 16 in a pack, 500gr, for 3.0 - a huge 42% increase About the same for normal sausages - now a pack of 8 is a pack of 6- and again over 40% increase. Etc. etc. The loo roll core was 4.5 cm now nearly 6 and the paper wound so loose that it practically falls off the roll. And so on ...

Inflation is under 3% in the UK.

Richmond sausages are available at Tescos at prices depending on offer for the week from £1 for 8, however they are always £1 in the £ shop, no sign of 40% increases to me.

I worked those hours for 5 years from 19 years of age, by 21, I owned a Porsche 911, A Flat & twice as much as my Cambridge educated father. The only difference I was motivated by making money & his motivation was to keep Britain out of the Common Market.
I earned more money in 1983 in £ than at any time since using exchange rates in force at the time & never taking account of inflation. My friends were having fun at University, whilst I worked, some of which have been successful too, most of which not. Their university education was a total waste of money.

Lazy people who went onto further education are jealous of people that took risks & saved, it's a sad world that those HIGHLY EDUCATED people believe they are entitled to as good life as someone who left school at 16 & worked hard, it's nuts.

What you get out of life is based on what risks you take & how much effort you put into it, very little more.

EDIT, as you edited you post I will continue,

Obesity levels are huge in the UK, so shrinkflation is good news, why would anyone buy fish figers? People need to learn how to cook.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I worked those hours for 5 years from 19 years of age, by 21, I owned a Porsche 911, A Flat & twice as much as my Cambridge educated father. The only difference I was motivated by making money & his motivation was to keep Britain out of the Common Market. I earned more money in 1983 in £ than at any time since using exchange rates in force at the time & never taking account of inflation. My friends were having fun at University, whilst I worked, some of which have been successful too, most of which not. Their university education was a total waste of money.

I think some people are bound to do well no matter what circumstances you put them, as people's outcomes are based on the decisions and actions they take. I do believe this can be learned by others by following examples. It takes balls and confidence.

The problem I gather from those in the UK, as exhibited in the sentiments I hear, as well as the actions of its leadership, is that there is a general lack of balls in that society and culture. In fact, it seems that those who exhibit balls are derided. So if that is where the general culture is headed, that is the kind of people it will produce. We have the same ass-dragging in the 'States.

A key reason why the UK will not be getting a good deal out of Brexit is because nobody seems to have the balls to demand a good deal and earn it. If it had a leader like our current orange troll in the US, the UK would more likely get a good (amayzing) deal. Instead, it will more likely suffer through the worse.

Nevertheless, individuals with balls and confidence can still make it through with enough determination. I've seen people make it through some of the worse circumstances, and am confident that one's success is not determined by one's circumstances. It is determined by one's actions. No matter what happens to the UK with Brexit, some will make it through and some will not.

[Uncle Max]

FMF, I‘ve been giving you the benefit of the doubt but your condescension is obnoxious. You‘re a phoney.

Good banter on here tonight

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Fair as in work 16 hours a day 7 days a week entitles you to 2.5 times as much money as if you only worked 40 hours a week. Really very simple I don't expect anything for nothing, where you want to be subsided by people who work longer & harder than you do.

Says the man who was complaining about inheritance taxes

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	FMF, I‘ve been giving you the benefit of the doubt but your condescension is obnoxious. You‘re a phoney.

Perhaps you could elaborate as I must be too stupid. I guess thats why I am happy

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Says the man who was complaining about inheritance taxes

If the labour government had not taxed me at 33% above £720 a year when I was earning £25 a week aged 16, I might feel less strongly against the left.

Taxes that would be due 50 years plus after leaving the UK if nobody kills me early.
I will ensure my money goes to charity, far better for education in 3rd world countries where my small wealth can help 1000,'s of people rather than pay the pensions of a few MEP's for a couple of years.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Sounds very much like NI will remain part of the single market and customs union. Does this mean the UK will just export stuff to the EU through NI? Whatever, NI voted Remain. Question is how long it will be before Nicola Sturgeon pipes up demanding the same deal for Scotland.

Indeed NI voted Remain as did Scotland and London who have now apparently both requested the same deal as NI and Wales are trying to jump on the same band wagon although they voted Leave; which NI deal as I forecast earlier is now being scuppered by the DUP.

So far the fabled Brexit "negotiation" has declined into the UK sooner or later agreeing to everything proposed by the EU ; mostly later.

	Quote:
	We also noticed how much more expensive the UK has become since we visited last January- and also how packaging has been changed to hide sme of those rises- same price or small rise, but much less product- often 20% or more less. Who are you to call it 'bollocks' giving the price of 2 items, one of them a luxury one? Doh. I wonder when either you or FMF have spent a signficant period of time in the UK. Some people actually live in the UK (all my direct family for instance) with their families- and live normal lives, doing 'normal jobs' and do not live just hanging to the stock exchange. So 16 hours 7 days a week - who is that FMF - and is this in short bursts or week in, week out. Some of my close relatives have very high end jobs, and work very long hours with huge responsibilities - so what re Brexit and price rises? Shrinkflation has been condemned by many, including WHICH the consumer association. Here are some before and after comparisons Bird's Eye Fish fngers 336 gr for 2.35 now 280 gr (looks like same packet) for 2.50 Turkey from Asda 573gr pack for 3.50 now 500gr for 4.50 - a massive 47.3 % increase Sausages Saisnburys 20 chipollatas/625 gr for 2.63 now 16 in a pack, 500gr, for 3.0 - a huge 42% increase About the same for normal sausages - now a pack of 8 is a pack of 6- and again over 40% increase. Etc. etc. The loo roll core was 4.5 cm now nearly 6 and the paper wound so loose that it practically falls off the roll. And so on ...

You can "notice" what you like. Fortunately for everyone else though these things are measured though and like FMF says, inflation is currently at 2.9%.

[amogles]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Your husband could have gone into private practice if he was any good. He chose not to take the risk, enough said. You chose to have 2 children quite young, again that was your choice you could easily have waited. Again you chose to work in an inner city school, little chance of being sacked if you were not any good. You chose to take the easy road, am I surprised? No of course not, & remember you only got the job at Beechams as a head honcho was a family friend, not due to anything else. You only could stay in the UK by getting married not due to your skill as a trilingual secretary.

Some people have more business sense and more money sense than others. That is pretty obvious.

I think I did moderately well myself, but also think I could have done better had I tried harder.

But I also believe there are people who are simply not cut out to smell money if you dangle it in their face. They persisently make the wrong choices and the wrong investments and fail to learn from their mistakes.

Some people can make a fortune out of nothing using nothing but their brains and muscles, and others will manage to throw a fortune to the wind even if handed them on a silver plate.

We need a system that lets those who do well keep their reward, but that doesn't utterly throw those that don't under the bus.

	Quote:	marton
	Indeed NI voted Remain as did Scotland and London who have now apparently both requested the same deal as NI and Wales are trying to jump on the same band wagon although they voted Leave; which NI deal as I forecast earlier is now being scuppered by the DUP. So far the fabled Brexit "negotiation" has declined into the UK sooner or later agreeing to everything proposed by the EU ; mostly later.

Seems to be a lot of confusion over what happened today. The first line is that the DUP scuppered the deal because May hadn't informed them first. I cannot believe that even Theresa May could be that thick. If this turns out to be the case though then she has to go. Tonight.

Second line is that she agreed the deal with the DUP however the wording changed during the course of the day leading to confusion. Government never briefed everyone on what the deal was which meant it was attacked from all sides before it was known what the deal was. Again, incompetence shown from the Government.

Probably time there was another election. This rabble needs shaking up. Perhaps even give Steptoe a go.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You can "notice" what you like. Fortunately for everyone else though these things are measured though and like FMF says, inflation is currently at 2.9%.

Food and non-alcoholic beverages (4.1 percent inflation in October 2017 year on year; the highest in four years)

Source

	Quote:	marton
	Food and non-alcoholic beverages (4.1 percent inflation in October 2017 year on year; the highest in four years) Source

Highest in four years, is not particularly earth shattering. Brexit still hasn't happened.

What was posted earlier is just confirmation bias in action.

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	I worked those hours for 5 years from 19 years of age, by 21, I owned a Porsche 911, A Flat & twice as much as my Cambridge educated father.

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	What you get out of life is based on what risks you take & how much effort you put into it, very little more.

Sure helps having Oxbridge educated parents and enough money to be worrying about inheritance tax though. But sure, it's ALL your own work, keep believing the hype.