The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

I thought Cabotage was what Uber has done to the taxi industry,

[amogles]

	Quote:	Phos
	I was afraid it had to do with EU regulations on cabbage.

The famous brassica of Brussels.

Causing winds since 52 BC.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	That's why I included a short explanation, along with an example.

Sorry, I was a bit too fast off the mark.

[Urs Max]

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	I thought Cabotage was what Uber has done to the taxi industry,

My understanding is that cabotage doesn't affect Uber because the vehicles are registered domestically.

(if your remark is intended to be a joke I don't get it, sorry)

	Quote:	marton
	Boris Johnson is facing questions about the government’s links to key individuals named by the FBI in its Trump-Russia investigation, following the emergence of a photo of him with Joseph Mifsud, the “London professor” with high-level Kremlin contacts. This development comes less than a week after Johnson denied meeting the professor, and at a time when concern is growing about possible Russian interference in the Brexit campaign, in which the foreign secretary played a crucial role. Joseph Mifsud, is the “London professor” with high-level Kremlin contacts who is claimed to have recruited Trump campaign aide Papadopoulos. Source I keep writing "you could not make this stuff up" so often it is now getting boring, how else could I formulate my comment?? It is clear the Russians helped Trump get his razor thin majority and also the razor thin majority for Brexit; wonder what price the Russians are demanding??

75p. Snork.

Facebook: Just three Russian Brexit ads found by inquiry

	Quote:	Urs Max
	My understanding is that cabotage doesn't affect Uber because the vehicles are registered domestically. (if your remark is intended to be a joke I don't get it, sorry)

My sense of humour appears to be an acquired taste.

[marton]

Conservative rebels inflicted a humiliating defeat on Theresa May in the House of Commons as they backed an amendment to her flagship European Union withdrawal bill over parliament’s right to a meaningful vote on the Brexit deal.

Source

Whole Brexit deal gets ever more messy.....

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	75p. Snork. Facebook: Just three Russian Brexit ads found by inquiry

You believe "Professor" Joseph Mifsud was placing Facebook ads for the Russians

Just come home after a great evening out - and just can't believe it - they've actually done it - wow. It just shows just how flimsy Mrs May's GVT and majority is - just a few rebels and she is down.

Those rebels should just walk across the floor - as Churchill did when he believed that was the only forwards.

[Blueangel]

There only needed to be 7 Tory rebels. Earlier in the day, there were rumours of over 20, but in the end, there were only 12, so it was still close. Even so, it's a victory for parliamentary democracy, but I don't believe they should cross the aisle. Brexit is not a partisan issue, and all day I'd been reading comments from Labour friends damning the lack of leadership from Corbyn on this.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	There only needed to be 7 Tory rebels. Earlier in the day, there were rumours of over 20, but in the end, there were only 12, so it was still close. Even so, it's a victory for parliamentary democracy,

This is probably a good thing, it means that if the UK gets a crap deal then it'll never get through Parliament. Judging by the level of government negotiations so far, this is reasonably likely.

I don't see why the Remainers are rejoicing so much though. All the result means last night is that Parliament get to vote on whether the UK leaves with a deal or not. 29th March 2019 and the UK is out regardless.

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	Those rebels should just walk across the floor - as Churchill did when he believed that was the only forwards.

And where should they go?

Like Churchill - to the Liberals (Lib Dems) and seek a broader alliance. If Corbyn will not commit- then I'd suggest many from labour should join too- and change the face of Parliament significantly.

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	Like Churchill - to the Liberals (Lib Dems) and seek a broader alliance. If Corbyn will not commit- then I'd suggest many from labour should join too- and change the face of Parliament significantly.

Or Oswald Mosley. So cross the floor and form a one policy party. Just like UKIP. And you seem to be forgetting the fact that the majority of people voted for Brexit.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Or Oswald Mosley. So cross the floor and form a one policy party. Just like UKIP. And you seem to be forgetting the fact that the majority of people voted for Brexit.

Or voted for an imaginary paradise Brexit, the likes of which has now been significantly downgraded.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I don't see why the Remainers a rejoicing so much though. All the result means last night is that Parliament get to vote on whether the UK leaves with a deal or not. 29th March 2019 and the UK is out regardless.

Because this is the biggest decision the UK government has been embroiled in for the last 70yrs. It cannot and should not fall entirely to the responsibility of the sitting government, regardless of who they are, with the remainder of the house largely kept in the dark regarding the details.

As an avid remainer, I absolutely believe this process should be performed by a coalition government, and I won't be swayed in that belief.

Knowing how you love crap analogies, the best one I've heard is:
Imagine your partner books the family holiday of a lifetime without consulting you. They tell you that it's a surprise and you'll only know the destination when you board the plane. Then you find out they've paid for it with a 10yr loan secured against the house. If you haven't flipped by then, at some point, you'll want to know how long to book off work, should you pack for a hot or cold climate, do you need vaccinations, do you need a visa, etc...

Last night is just part of that thought process. No biggie and it should have happened sooner.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Or Oswald Mosley. So cross the floor and form a one policy party. Just like UKIP. And you seem to be forgetting the fact that the majority of people voted for Brexit.

The majority of people in the UK certainly did NOT vote for Brexit - and of those who did, 1000s are now dead, and 1000s and more have changed their mind now they realise what it implies. Even Grimsby, for example, who voted massively for - are now asking for an exception now they realise it will make them very poor and unemployed... and at the same time that it won't curb immigration- and possibly make it worse even. As EU citizens are now being given the right to stay- but treaties with non EU countries will probably have some requirement to open doors to their citizens. People who voted leave because of immigration now know that the UK GVT had the power and the choice to curb immigration- but chose not to.

I agree though - it would be quite a shake up - and not a one policy party at all- remainers from both labour and Cons, + Greens - and perhaps SNP, Playd Cymru (sp) - have a lot more in common then divides them - and it includes the environment, the NHS, job protection, animal welfare, international research, independence from the pressure from the USA (on above +++) and so much more. People are not 'remainers', just for the single issue of 'remaining' but for what it entails in reality.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Because this is the biggest decision the UK government has been embroiled in for the last 70yrs. It cannot and should not fall entirely to the responsibility of the sitting government, regardless of who they are, with the remainder of the house largely kept in the dark regarding the details. As an avid remainer, I absolutely believe this process should be performed by a coalition government, and I won't be swayed in that belief. Knowing how you love crap analogies, the best one I've heard is: Imagine your partner books the family holiday of a lifetime without consulting you. They tell you that it's a surprise and you'll only know the destination when you board the plane. Then you find out they've paid for it with a 10yr loan secured against the house. If you haven't flipped by then, at some point, you'll want to know how long to book off work, should you pack for a hot or cold climate, do you need vaccinations, do you need a visa, etc... Last night is just part of that thought process. No biggie and it should have happened sooner.

But this doesn't change anything. The UK will be presented with a deal and they will either be able to take it or not. All this result will do in the end is play into the hardcore Brexiteer MPs hands because they will not vote for a deal if they feel it hasn't gone far enough in respecting the referendum result. Which means no deal.

It's funny how the Remainer MPs are ridiculously hiding behind Parliamentary sovereignty in the obvious attempt to try and block Brexit from happening. The big hypocrisy being that so many EU laws have been accepted without so much as a second of Parliamentary debate.

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	The majority of people in the UK certainly did NOT vote for Brexit - and of those who did, 1000s are now dead, and 1000s and more have changed their mind now they realise what it implies. Even Grimsby, for example, who voted massively for - are now asking for an exception now they realise it will make them very poor and unemployed.

Should have a referendum every week then to take into account everyone dropping dead

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	But this doesn't change anything. The UK will be presented with a deal and they will either be able to take it or not. All this result will do in the end is play into the hardcore Brexiteer MPs hands because they will not vote for a deal if they feel it hasn't gone far enough in respecting the referendum result. Which means no deal. It's funny how the Remainer MPs are ridiculously hiding behind Parliamentary sovereignty in the obvious attempt to try and block Brexit from happening. The big hypocrisy being that so many EU laws have been accepted without so much as a second of Parliamentary debate. Should have a referendum every week then to take into account everyone dropping dead

"it hasn't gone far enough in respecting the referendum result" The referendum was "leave the EU", yes or no!

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Should have a referendum every week then to take into account everyone dropping dead

ah well- with such a close result (even Farage said a 48/52 result would require a second referendum ...) - and with such clear evidence that older people were a very high % of vote leave (and now dead, gaga or on their way out ...) ... and so many now declaring they did not understand that the lies were lies ... and that they had no idea of the effects it would have on their own family and community, and the country - I'd nod say every week - perhaps - but certainly on the final deal, once people know what the consequences and implications are - for them, for their family, community and the country- yes.

Certainly in a Parliamentary Democracy like ours- a vote by our elected Sovereign parliamentary representatives is a MUST indeed.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The big hypocrisy being that so many EU laws have been accepted without so much as a second of Parliamentary debate.

What?!!! That was a master stroke of expediency. It gives the UK legal professionals the luxury of time to untangle our combined legislations. So you would prefer to eradicate all the laws made in the last 40yrs and have the legal system start from scratch? Bonkers! That would take decades to recover from.