The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Are you blind? 4283 weren't passed through Parliament yet were automatically binding on the UK. Where is the Parliamentary sovereignty for those?

In case you failed to understand the process I repeat;
the Parliamentary European Scrutiny Committees consider all EU documents that propose new laws and decides which ones require a full House debate and which ones can proceed!

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	There are always options. There are plenty of places to seek help from in the UK and probably in most other EU countries as well. This is just one thing being set up for Christmas. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-42333056

We're derailing - guilty myself - but no, there are not always options, not if you have No Fixed Abode. It's not the lowest rung on the ladder: there's not even a ladder.

Society has to fund and provide services for these people but there's no money - there rarely was enough - but curiously there's plenty for the cronies. Plenty of magic money tree windfalls for obscene vanity projects yet none for those at the lowest points in life. For extra pzazz, just add schizophrenia! Addictions! Violence!

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	There are always options. There are plenty of places to seek help from in the UK and probably in most other EU countries as well. This is just one thing being set up for Christmas. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-42333056

Sorry Medea, I suspect you've not had much contact with people who sleep rough.
"Plenty of places", right. So why are there so many people sleeping rough?

The Euston station gig? That's one meal, for 200. Let's stay with just those 200 people: what about the other 364 days of the year?

Do you think they'll walk out of Euston and think "That was nice, some crackers, a hot meal and Christmas pud, I think I'll just get my life in order and stop living on the street. I feel empowered now!"

This aside from the issue of people with mental diseases. (The NHS is struggling to handle those people with a roof over their head.)

The main benefit of most of these charity events is that they make the people who don't need it feel a lot better about themselves.

Most people who are homeless aren't homeless because they don't have a home to go to, but normally because they are not able to function in one.

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Most people who are homeless aren't homeless because they don't have a home to go to, but normally because they are not able to function in one.

And there, ladies and gentlemen, is pisspoor trolling or dumbwittery. Take Ur pick.

Give it a rest lulz, there's always the green ink of 4Chan.

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Most people who are homeless aren't homeless because they don't have a home to go to, but normally because they are not able to function in one.

A fair point. Providing service to these people based on the presumption that they're just like everyone else (i.e. the only problem is that they don't happen to have a place with a roof like structure to administer their dealings with the aid system when they go "home") is a non starter.

From a purely economical standpoint, if you're going to help them, then anything which doesn't effectively improve the quality of their lives is either a waste of funding, or an alibi exercise.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Most people who are homeless aren't homeless because they don't have a home to go to, but normally because they are not able to function in one.

Can't be true. They say spending time outdoors is good for your wellbeing, so after a week's glamping they'd all be back in the country house, fit as a fiddle otherwise.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Are you blind? 4283 weren't passed through Parliament yet were automatically binding on the UK. Where is the Parliamentary sovereignty for those?

Like 28,877 pieces of non-EU law. Of course all of those statutory instruments are only passed into law as a direct result of an act of parliament that enabled them. No act of parliament, no statutory instrument. They do not simply pass directly fro the EU into UK law, there has to be a UK legal mechanism behind them.

Are you blind, stupid or just trolling as usual?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Chuff
	It's ok, while Urs is known for many things, I am not sure a sense of humour is one of them.

How well do you get jokes in German?

	Quote:	Urs Max
	How well do you get jokes in German?

Warum heisst Kanada Kanada?

[JagWaugh]

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	Warum heisst Kanada Kanada?

'Kaus that's where Kanu's kome from?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:
	Warum heisst Kanada Kanada?

Weil kana da ist natürlich. Heck, even JagWaugh has left.




(kana = bayuvarian dialect for "keiner", nobody)

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Are you blind? 4283 weren't passed through Parliament yet were automatically binding on the UK. Where is the Parliamentary sovereignty for those?

To be taken even a little bit seriously, you need to show that there is a UK constitutional requirement to have a parliamentary review in the first place. And in any case the UK parliament is not a true sovereign parliament, as you have orders of the privy council, the queen's prerogative, letters patent and an array of other means of getting round parliament.

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	And there, ladies and gentlemen, is pisspoor trolling or dumbwittery. Take Ur pick. Give it a rest lulz, there's always the green ink of 4Chan.

Trolling or dumbwittery. Perhaps we should ask Uncle Max oh great oracle to shed some more reasoning behind homelessness? In a country that provides free housing, free money, free healthcare, and not forgetting friends and family members, and the hundreds of homeless charities and shelters, why do people still feel the need to sleep on the street?

I'll tell you why: Drink, Drugs and Mental health. The three main reasons why people are not able to function in a home. Now how about a proper answer instead of your lazy dumbass meritless blathering?

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Trolling or dumbwittery. Perhaps we should ask Uncle Max oh great oracle to shed some more reasoning behind homelessness? In a country that provides free housing, free money, free healthcare, and not forgetting friends and family members, and the hundreds of homeless charities and shelters, why people do still feel the need to sleep on the street? I'll tell you why: Drink, Drugs and Mental health. The three main reasons why people are not able to function in a home. Now how about a proper answer instead of your lazy dumbass meritless blathering?

You do not know much about Switzerland do you?

Here these services are not free; the authorities go after your relatives for financial contributions. Consequently many refuse such aid because they do not want to be a financial burden on their families; quite noble in the circumstances.

	Quote:
	Like 28,877 pieces of non-EU law. Of course all of those statutory instruments are only passed into law as a direct result of an act of parliament that enabled them. No act of parliament, no statutory instrument. They do not simply pass directly fro the EU into UK law, there has to be a UK legal mechanism behind them. Are you blind, stupid or just trolling as usual?

Read the bit from here which I've highlighted in bold below. Oh, I've forgotten. It's baboon, and trolling is anyone who has a different opinion to yours.

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	There is disagreement over how many of the laws that govern our lives originate in the European Union. Some of those campaigning to remain in the EU claim that only 13% of laws passed by Parliament implement the UK's obligations under EU law. This figure ignores the many EU regulations that are automatically binding on the UK and do not pass through Parliament.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	To be taken even a little bit seriously, you need to show that there is a UK constitutional requirement to have a parliamentary review in the first place. And in any case the UK parliament is not a true sovereign parliament, as you have orders of the privy council, the queen's prerogative, letters patent and an array of other means of getting round parliament.

Great. Now go back in read in what context I was referring to Parliamentary sovereignty. You'll find you've just proven my point.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Read the bit from here which I've highlighted in bold below. Oh, I've forgotten. It's baboon, and trolling is anyone who has a different opinion to yours. Great. Now go back in read in what context I was referring to Parliamentary sovereignty. You'll find you've just proven my point.

Thanks for quoting incorrect information from the BBC.

I prefer to believe the official Parliament statement which I already linked to

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Trolling or dumbwittery. Perhaps we should ask Uncle Max oh great oracle to shed some more reasoning behind homelessness? In a country that provides free housing, free money, free healthcare, and not forgetting friends and family members, and the hundreds of homeless charities and shelters, why people do still feel the need to sleep on the street?

Because when it comes to the crunch, the authorities don't have free housing available at the drop of a hat.

Their resources are limited and able bodied single white males are the bottom of their list.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I'll tell you why: Drink, Drugs and Mental health. The three main reasons why people are not able to function in a home. Now how about a proper answer instead of your lazy dumbass meritless blathering?

How about you open your eyes to what is going on in the world around you?

	Quote:	pdofr
	Because when it comes to the crunch, the authorities don't have free housing available at the drop of a hat. Their resources are limited and able bodied single white males are the bottom of their list.

That's there are friends, family members, charities and shelters. Whilst there can be short term homelessness for a variety of reasons, long term homelessness is normally caused deeper personal issues.

	Quote:	pdofr
	How about you open your eyes to what is going on in the world around you?

How about you join dear old Uncle Max and add some substance to your whataboutery?

	Quote:	marton
	Thanks for quoting incorrect information from the BBC. I prefer to believe the official Parliament statement which I already linked to

Incorrect information from the BBC. i.e. FAKE NEWS!

How about you write to them and demand a retraction? I know you'd enjoy that.