The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Incorrect information from the BBC. i.e. FAKE NEWS! How about you write to them and demand a retraction. I know you'd enjoy that.

You do not understand the process do you?

Parliamentary committees review draft EU regulations and can decide if they are OK with them or make suggestions for amendment or recommend further actions/discussions which can be up to a full Parliament review.
When this process is completed OK and does not require the UK to veto the regulation then assuming the other EU countries approve the regulation it then goes into effect.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	To be taken even a little bit seriously, you need to show that there is a UK constitutional requirement to have a parliamentary review in the first place. And in any case the UK parliament is not a true sovereign parliament, as you have orders of the privy council, the queen's prerogative, letters patent and an array of other means of getting round parliament.

Doesn't "sovereign" have two meanings here? One that the parliament does nobody's bidding, it's free in its decisions, which applies to the UK (or not? you seem to disagree). Two, being THE Sovereign, though I'd think a parliament never is, in the UK that's the monarch whereas in a democracy that's the people.

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	There are always options. There are plenty of places to seek help from in the UK and probably in most other EU countries as well. This is just one thing being set up for Christmas. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-42333056

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Most people who are homeless aren't homeless because they don't have a home to go to, but normally because they are not able to function in one.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Trolling or dumbwittery. Perhaps we should ask Uncle Max oh great oracle to shed some more reasoning behind homelessness? In a country that provides free housing, free money, free healthcare, and not forgetting friends and family members, and the hundreds of homeless charities and shelters, why do people still feel the need to sleep on the street? I'll tell you why: Drink, Drugs and Mental health. The three main reasons why people are not able to function in a home. Now how about a proper answer instead of your lazy dumbass meritless blathering?

	Quote:	Loz1983
	That's there are friends, family members, charities and shelters. Whilst there can be short term homelessness for a variety of reasons, long term homelessness is normally caused deeper personal issues. How about you join dear old Uncle Max and add some substance to your whataboutery?

Lulz, stop digging; thank you for not making a tit of yourself.

Families with stable jobs at risk of homelessness - local government ombudsman

[marton]

Even royalty have visa problems!!

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will marry on May 19, 2018.

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Lulz, stop digging; thank you for not making a tit of yourself. Families with stable jobs at risk of homelessness - local government ombudsman

Ahh yes, moving the goal posts. StirB has an expression for that.

Homelessness is used by government ombudsman to refer to households in temporary accommodation, people in B&Bs etc. The rest of the English speaking world use it to refer to people sleeping rough on the street. We were clearly talking about the latter.

[Jim2007]

An interesting comment here from Michel Barnier:

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	The British had the idea they could mingle everything: the price for past commitments, the financial issue and the future. We said: first we settle the past, like in any separation, then we start talking about the future. So parallel talks will start probably next March. The actual negotiations on the future relationship will only begin once the UK leaves the EU.

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	They have to realise there won’t be any cherry picking. We won’t mix up the various scenarios to create a specific one and accommodate their wishes, mixing, for instance, the advantages of the Norwegian model, member of the single market, with the simple requirements of the Canadian one. No way. They have to face the consequences of their own decision.

Source

This would appear to be a very different perspective than what the UK have. And certainly no possibility of the UK parliament voting on the final deal before they leave.

[Phos]

The left doesn't really mind having more and more poor homeless people, as it is their raisons d'être.

EU bureaucrats don't really have anything to fear from the collapse of EU and UK economies, as their salaries and pensions are ensured anyway.

The UK would better off playing hardball with the EU bureaucrats and dictating its terms. In fact, it might as well ignore the EU altogether and deal with Germany directly. Afterall, that is just getting straight to the point of the matter and cuts out the middleman. It is going to come to that eventually anyway.

[StirB]

	Quote:
	The left doesn't really mind having more and more poor homeless people, as it is their raisons d'être.

That literally makes no sense.

[Phos]

	Quote:	StirB
	That literally makes no sense.

Quite self-explanatory, but best for you to think it through.

[StirB]

	Quote:	Phos
	Quite self-explanatory, but best for you to think it through... The left doesn't really mind having more and more poor homeless people, as it is their raisons d'être..

"The left doesn't really mind having more and more poor homeless people, as it is their reasons for existance."


No, I was right, it literally doesn't make any sense.

[Phos]

	Quote:	StirB
	"The left doesn't really mind having more and more poor homeless people, as it is their reasons for existance." No, I was right, it literally doesn't make any sense.

Must I spell it out for you? They need to keep poor people poor to justify their own drive for power. More poor people make for a stronger Left government. Their net results and history attests to it.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Phos
	Must I spell it out for you? They need to keep poor people poor to justify their own drive for power. More poor people make for a stronger Left government. Their net results and history attests to it.

You realise the thread is about the UK?

The UK hasn't had a labour government since 2010.

Poverty is significantly UP and has been rising under the current Tory government.

Net results and history attests to it.

[StirB]

	Quote:	Phos
	Must I spell it out for you? They need to keep poor people poor to justify their own drive for power. More poor people make for a stronger Left government. Their net results and history attests to it.

May I spell out what literally means? Your sentence literally made no sense. People probably didn't notice since they are inured to your nonsense.

[Phos]

	Quote:	StirB
	May I spell out what literally means? Your sentence literally made no sense. People probably didn't notice since they are inured to your nonsense.

Point is negotiating with the EU is a dead end, and it doesn't hurt them for the UK and EU economies to tank. UK might as well negotiate with Germany directly, as it will come to that end eventually anyway.

[Uncle Max]

Creator: Barney Farmer

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Phos
	Point is negotiating with the EU is a dead end, and it doesn't hurt them for the UK and EU economies to tank. UK might as well negotiate with Germany directly, as it will come to that end eventually anyway.

For anyone who remember playing Catchphrase

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Ahh yes, moving the goal posts. StirB has an expression for that. Homelessness is used by government ombudsman to refer to households in temporary accommodation, people in B&Bs etc. The rest of the English speaking world use it to refer to people sleeping rough on the street. We were clearly talking about the latter.

Blimey, you're right! Too many sandals in my muesli. You win!

	Quote:	Phos
	The right doesn't really mind having more and more poor homeless people, as it is their raisons d'être.

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[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Phos
	Point is negotiating with the EU is a dead end, and it doesn't hurt them for the UK and EU economies to tank. UK might as well negotiate with Germany directly, as it will come to that end eventually anyway.

First of all Germany can't negotiate trade deals with anyone, only the EU can do that and each member has a veto as does the parliament. So simply nonsense.

The UK is about to learn the reality of negotiating trade deals with economies that dwarf you - you don't get to dictate the terms! You turn up, find out what is on offer and decide to accept or not. If you are luck you might get a bit of window dressing to make it look good at home but that is about it. They are going to find the exact same thing when they try to sit down with the US, etc.

[Jim2007]

Michel Barnier: Financial services excluded from Brexit trade deal

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	The EU will not do a post-Brexit trade with the U.K. that includes financial services, its chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier told a group of European newspapers. Barnier said that the loss of access for the City of London was a consequence of the U.K.’s decision to leave the EU single market. “There is no place [for financial services]. There is not a single trade agreement that is open to financial services. It doesn’t exist,”

No surprises there, but at least it seems they might be able to start negotiations on other trade deals:

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	He also said that the U.K. can negotiate its own trade agreements during the proposed two-year transition period — but will have to wait until the period is over before the agreements can come into force.

Source

[marton]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	The markets are not the economy and the money doesn't circulate in the society in which it was created. The economy is screwed, austerity will continue for another decade and the people are suffering. The EU actually helped the poorest in society, unlike the Chancellor. Keep focusing on the value of your portfolio, though, but who cares about some greedy blokes opinion when he offers no solutions? Take care. We're all we have.

Just noticed that Hammond said in his budget speech."Britain is the world's sixth largest economy" seems like only yesterday it was proudly the world's fifth largest economy