The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	lewton
	The EU needs to get rid of Poland. If you guys manage to convince them to follow your out the door, you will have done us a great favour.

*by the way, I’m Greek.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	*by the way, I’m Greek.

Greece is small and obedient so we* don't mind if it stays.


*we Europeans

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	lewton
	The EU needs to get rid of Poland. If you guys manage to convince them to follow your out the door, you will have done us a great favour.

Why?
Also, there's no point addressing that statement to an American (you guys?)

	Quote:	lewton
	Greece is small and obedient so we* don't mind if it stays. *we Europeans

Glad to see only a minority of Europeans have truly drunk that Kool-aid.

If you have to insulate "Europeanism" to only "Europeans" that can understand what it is, its already in trouble from the get go.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Why? Also, there's no point addressing that statement to an American (you guys?)

Fair, sorry to take you for a Brit.
Let me rephrase: If Brexiteers manage to convince Poland to follow them out the door, they will have done us a great favour.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	lewton
	Fair, sorry to take you for a Brit. Let me rephrase: If Brexiteers manage to convince Poland to follow them out the door, they will have done us a great favour.

I am British, however, your original comment was addressed to Phos who is American.

Now, perhaps you can explain how Poland leaving the EU would do a favour to who exactly, rather than merely repeating your comment. It requires expansion to have any meaning.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I am British, however, your original comment was addressed to Phos who is American. Now, perhaps you can explain how Poland leaving the EU would do a favour to who exactly, rather than merely repeating your comment. It requires expansion to have any meaning.

I'm also Catalan. Complex world, no? The idea that only some kind of European can possibly understand this is somewhat stupid. And the Swiss, who are smack in the middle of it don't even agree with it.

LOL.

This "Europeanism" ideology looks like it has less and less to do with European people.

What a bunch of racist malarky.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Now, perhaps you can explain how Poland leaving the EU would do a favour to who exactly, rather than merely repeating your comment. It requires expansion to have any meaning.

Poland has benefited massively from joining the EU because it is the biggest Eastern European country outside the Eurozone, which means that it is the first destination for low-cost jobs.
For example the multinational American corporation for which I was working in Geneva 9 years ago moved all mid-level positions to Poland, keeping in Geneva only the top management and some interns. More recent example, Poland is expected to receive the biggest number of mid-level banking jobs moving out of the UK to the EU. The top jobs will transfer to Amsterdam, Frankfurt or Dublin, but the mid-level positions will move to Poland.

Therefore one would expect Poland to be happy to be in this union, instead what we get is a Euro-phobic government whose narrative is that they have brought growth in Poland despite the EU, while the truth is that all this growth is happening in Poland thanks to the EU.

So I would be very happy to see them leave the EU after their own decision, activating article 50.
I expect their economy to collapse soon after as all those jobs would move back to the EU, probably in places like Romania, Hungary and the Czech Republic (sorry Slovakia, you joined the Euro, therefore you are expensive).
This would serve as a great example of why not to leave the EU and additionally it would create jobs and growth in some countries that need them.

To sum up, Poland leaving the EU of its own free will would be excellent news for me personally and something really good for the EU on the long term.

[curley]

Well, I popped in to see how Brexit is getting on. Interesting priorities, indeed.

	Quote:	lewton
	Greece is small and obedient so we* don't mind if it stays. *we Europeans

interesting, after seeing you in the other thread earlier. So you want the Polish out, why? They're small, are they not obedient? Then why do you want the Swiss "off their high horse" as you said and in? You think we are obedient?

You being Greek (according to profile), who is the we that doesn't mind the Greek (=you) staying in?

Over all, the things you write are - a bit scary, to be honest.

Anyway, this being the Brexit thread and me being the oursider: How is this handled now? GB is still in during the negotiations, right? Or is it already considered out and no longer allowed to take part?
Is this like the period of separation in a marriage? One must still pay but doesn't have a say?

[lewton]

	Quote:	curley
	Well, I popped in to see how Brexit is getting on. Interesting priorities, indeed. interesting, after seeing you in the other thread earlier. So you want the Polish out, why? They're small, are they not obedient? Then why do you want the Swiss "off their high horse" as you said and in? You think we are obedient? You being Greek (according to profile), who is the we that doesn't mind the Greek (=you) staying in? Over all, the things you write are - a bit scary, to be honest. Anyway, this being the Brexit thread and me being the oursider: How is this handled now? GB is still in during the negotiations, right? Or is it already considered out and no longer allowed to take part? Is this like the period of separation in a marriage? One must still pay but doesn't have a say?

Mixing up threads, are we?
1. I don't believe that Switzerland should join the EU, only the EEA.
2. We = we Europeans. Me being Greek has nothing to do with my opinions on the future of Europe.

I can't answer the last questions regarding where the Brexit negotiations are at the moment.

	Quote:	lewton
	To sum up, Poland leaving the EU of its own free will would be excellent news for me personally and something really good for the EU on the long term.

Anyone ever explain to you that Poles make up one of the major European ethnicities?

I suggest Poland and the Visegrad stay in the EU for as long as possible, draining as much cash as possible, along with a new Austria and reform it to be more respectful of real European cultures. Drain the EU Swamp! Nothing but a bunch of smug bureaucrats anyway.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Phos
	Anyone ever explain to you that Poles make up one of the major European ethnicities? I suggest Poland and the Visegrad stay in the EU for as long as possible, draining as much cash as possible, along with a new Austria and reform it to be more respectful of real European cultures. Drain the EU Swamp! Nothing but a bunch of smug bureaucrats anyway.

The good news here is that thanks to the UK leaving there will be less cash for Poland to drain, which will make it easier for the idiots in Poland to convince the majority to leave the EU.

	Quote:	lewton
	The good news here is that thanks to the UK leaving there will be less cash for Poland to drain, which will make it easier for the idiots in Poland to convince the majority to leave the EU.

So you don't mean "those" Europeans, but the "other" Europeans. Okay, gotcha! Not so sure they will survive one generation anyway, so all kind of moot.

[curley]

	Quote:	lewton
	Mixing up threads, are we? 1. I don't believe that Switzerland should join the EU, only the EEA. 2. We = we Europeans. Me being Greek has nothing to do with my opinions on the future of Europe. I can't answer the last questions regarding where the Brexit negotiations are at the moment.

1. True, that's what you said. And I even agree But afaik - I know you disagreed - the EEA solution is no longer available.

And back to brexit .... forgive me folks.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	lewton
	Poland has benefited massively from joining the EU ...

Completely agree, but not quite for the reasons you've stated. FMOP has led to them losing the best and brightest of an entire generation, with a relatively small percentage returning.

	Quote:	lewton
	The top jobs will transfer to Amsterdam, Frankfurt or Dublin, but the mid-level positions will move to Poland.

3 or 4 times over the last couple of weeks, I've seen UK political commentators discussing passporting on tv say... "Nobody wants to go to Frankfurt because it's a ****hole". Personally, I think Paris is more likely, and possibly Dublin. As I expected the Netherlands be the first to pull the Article 50 trigger, I think they may struggle to regain faith in them staying in the EU long enough for companies to see them as a safe bet for relocation.

	Quote:	lewton
	Therefore one would expect Poland to be happy to be in this union, instead what we get is a Euro-phobic government whose narrative is that they have brought growth in Poland despite the EU, while the truth is that all this growth is happening in Poland thanks to the EU.

Totally agree.

	Quote:	lewton
	To sum up, Poland leaving the EU of its own free will would be excellent news for me personally and something really good for the EU on the long term.

Interesting. We shall see.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	curley
	Anyway, this being the Brexit thread and me being the oursider: How is this handled now? GB is still in during the negotiations, right? Or is it already considered out and no longer allowed to take part? Is this like the period of separation in a marriage? One must still pay but doesn't have a say?

If you understand UK divorce procedures:
1. Decree Nisi
2. Decree Absolute
3. Financial settlement, custody, etc...

Brexit is currently past the Decree Nisi stage with many people trying to move the Decree Absolute to after the Financial Settlement, etc, has been finalised. Nobody has even begun to decide who keeps what car (Open Skies Treaty) and there are still 4+million kids + partners + offspring who won't know for certain where they stand until it's all over.

It's not a very messy divorce, but there's a lot of dithering, lack of direction and precious little certainty about anything. For many Brits currently in Switzerland, we can't live with dad (CH), don't want to live with mum (UK) and want to move in with a friendly aunt (EU) after the divorce is over, but mum currently says she won't allow it (landlocked).

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	If you understand UK divorce procedures: 1. Decree Nisi 2. Decree Absolute 3. Financial settlement, custody, etc... Brexit is currently past the Decree Nisi stage .

Hardly an accurate description at all, Decree Nisi becomes Decree Absolute with the passage of time (6 weeks IIRC), the financial settlements will normally be agreed before the Nisi but could be concluded later.

then mum says she wants to keep the house and dad has to pay full costs even though she earns nore than him, and pay full cost for kids but not have access to them and take part in any decisions re them ...

[Jim2007]

Brexit: German minister sees model for Turkey and Ukraine

So it may well be that the EU offer will be with an eye to a standard deal for Turkey, the Ukraine and the UK...

Looks like the second round will turn into a game of silly buggers once again...

[marton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Brexit: German minister sees model for Turkey and Ukraine So it may well be that the EU offer will be with an eye to a standard deal for Turkey, the Ukraine and the UK... Looks like the second round will turn into a game of silly buggers once again...

UK joining an exclusive club with Turkey & the Ukraine, how are the mighty fallen