The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Hardly an accurate description at all, Decree Nisi becomes Decree Absolute with the passage of time (6 weeks IIRC), the financial settlements will normally be agreed before the Nisi but could be concluded later.

I've never known a financial settlement to be agreed before the decree absolute had been declared. My Absolute was Nov 2007 but the financial settlement was Feb-May 2008.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I've never known a decree absolute to be agreed before the financial settlement had concluded. My Absolute was Nov 2007 but the financial settlement was Feb-May 2008.

Aren't you contradicting yourself there?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Aren't you contradicting yourself there?

Thanks. I've corrected it now.

	Quote:	lewton
	You guys have no idea what you are talking about. Germany would never do that. They are obsessed with political correctness and sticking to the rules. France would love to do that, they like pretending they are running the EU alongside Germany.

Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Germany wants to entertain a special "smart" deal.

https://www.politico.eu/article/sigm...y-and-ukraine/

The EU really isn't as principled as it wants to be perceived, and it performs way too much posturing. It is as corrupt as any, and it does whatever Germany tells it to. The UK might as well just address Germany directly and leave the charade up to the EU bureaucrats and Fake Media.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Phos
	Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Germany wants to entertain a special "smart" deal. https://www.politico.eu/article/sigm...y-and-ukraine/ The EU really isn't as principled as it wants to be perceived, and it performs way too much posturing. It is as corrupt as any, and it does whatever Germany tells it to. The UK might as well just address Germany directly and leave the charade up to the EU bureaucrats and Fake Media.

The link you shared offers not the slightest evidence that Germany will negotiate with Britain.
Germany has preferences, as do all countries, but it will never be so blatant as to bypass the official negotiating team.
Merkel will meet with May, give her pats on the back, and then send her over to Brussels.

70 Labour MPs have now written to Corbyn asking him to change his stance on Brexit- and come out in favour of a vote on the final deal.

	Quote:	lewton
	The link you shared offers not the slightest evidence that Germany will negotiate with Britain. Germany has preferences, as do all countries, but it will never be so blatant as to bypass the official negotiating team. Merkel will meet with May, give her pats on the back, and then send her over to Brussels.

They don't need to negotiate explicitly, just tacitly, just as how they just undermined Barnier's position of no specialized deal. BoE did the same the other day with a different statement. These are more valuable indications than the public posturing. They can continue this public dialog over the heads of the EU.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Phos
	They don't need to negotiate explicitly, just tacitly, just as how they just undermined Barnier's position of no specialized deal. BoE did the same the other day with a different statement. These are more valuable indications than the public posturing. They can continue this public dialog over the heads of the EU.

I guess we'll see in time what happens.
For now let's agree to disagree.

You never know, maybe Jerry will turn Britain into a socialist paradise so all discussions of free trade will be void at the end.

	Quote:	lewton
	I guess we'll see in time what happens. For now let's agree to disagree. You never know, maybe Jerry will turn Britain into a socialist paradise so all discussions of free trade will be void at the end.

That may very well happen. Brexit or none, deal or no deal, the fate of the UK rests on the courage of its people. They can choose to forge ahead, or retreat back to the safety of serfdom. In any case, some people will do well while others will not. From the sentiments I hear from many, I am not convinced they have the balls nor the collective courage to forge ahead.

	Quote:	Phos
	They can choose to forge ahead, or retreat back to the safety of serfdom.

We still have a royal family and a slew of aristocracy...we are serfs either way.

	Quote:	Phos
	That may very well happen. Brexit or none, deal or no deal, the fate of the UK rests on the courage of its people. They can choose to forge ahead, or retreat back to the safety of serfdom. In any case, some people will do well while others will not. From the sentiments I hear from many, I am not convinced they have the balls nor the collective courage to forge ahead.

That could have made sense if the UK had not sold every single essential utility to other countries, be it in the EU, China and so on.

You will always be a serf if your water, your electricity, including nuclear, your gas, your transport and airports, and soon perhaps, your NHS, and so much more - are owned and controlled from outside. Not so bad when those countries are your partners and friends ... but if not? As an Island (a few) - the UK could so easily find itself under siege - locked in. Be it with rising prices, or limiting, cutting supplies. Do you ever watch the intro to 'Have I got News for you' ?

[parnell]

	Quote:	lewton
	Poland has benefited massively from joining the EU because it is the biggest Eastern European country outside the Eurozone, which means that it is the first destination for low-cost jobs. For example the multinational American corporation for which I was working in Geneva 9 years ago moved all mid-level positions to Poland, keeping in Geneva only the top management and some interns. More recent example, Poland is expected to receive the biggest number of mid-level banking jobs moving out of the UK to the EU. The top jobs will transfer to Amsterdam, Frankfurt or Dublin, but the mid-level positions will move to Poland. Therefore one would expect Poland to be happy to be in this union, instead what we get is a Euro-phobic government whose narrative is that they have brought growth in Poland despite the EU, while the truth is that all this growth is happening in Poland thanks to the EU. So I would be very happy to see them leave the EU after their own decision, activating article 50. I expect their economy to collapse soon after as all those jobs would move back to the EU, probably in places like Romania, Hungary and the Czech Republic (sorry Slovakia, you joined the Euro, therefore you are expensive). This would serve as a great example of why not to leave the EU and additionally it would create jobs and growth in some countries that need them. To sum up, Poland leaving the EU of its own free will would be excellent news for me personally and something really good for the EU on the long term.

Poland is a great place with great hard working people who absorbed 300,000 Ukrainian refugees without so much as a peep out of them. If only more countries were like Poland Merkel , Juncker and Draghi wouldn't be doing their level best to destroy the EU. With Viktor Orban's Hungary growing at over 3% p.a. you don't hear any more bs about his leadership anymore...

	Quote:	parnell
	Poland is a great place with great hard working people who absorbed 300,000 Ukrainian refugees without so much as a peep out of them. If only more countries were like Poland Merkel , Juncker and Draghi wouldn't be doing their level best to destroy the EU. With Viktor Orban's Hungary growing at over 3% p.a. you don't hear any more bs about his leadership anymore...

I completely agree that Poland is a great country with incredibly welcoming people, despite historically having been on the end of a lot of shit in the last century and beyond.

Taking in 300,000 Ukranians (don't know if stats are right, but I'll take you at your word) is probably enabled by the EU though, as they have close to 500,000 Poles working in the UK alone (included in a total of 850,000 Poles in the UK), as well as plenty in other countries - somebody probably has to fill that labour black hole.

[fatmanfilms]

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	70 Labour MPs have now written to Corbyn asking him to change his stance on Brexit- and come out in favour of a vote on the final deal.

So accept the deal or leave the EU without a deal sounds good

Even you must be aware there is a third option

[fatmanfilms]

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	Even you must be aware there is a third option

Not really, the country voted to LEAVE the UK, it's unto the government to implement that vote as best the can. So no deal is better than a bad deal as T.M. always said.

****

you've been out of UK too long and are confused with different political systems.

A Referendum in the UK can only be consultative - Cameron had no right whatsoever to promise that it would be implemented, come what may (pun sort of intended) - as it flies directly against the UK's long established system of Parliamentary Democracy. The UK is NOT Switzerland ...

[curley]

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	**** you've been out of UK too long and are confused with different political systems. A Referendum in the UK can only be consultative - Cameron had no right whatsoever to promise that it would be implemented, come what may (pun sort of intended) - as it flies directly against the UK's long established system of Parliamentary Democracy. The UK is NOT Switzerland ...

Seriously?!
I thought this article 50 was triggered? You are all still actually stalling? Does anyone realize what a fool GB is beginning to look like?

Is there anything worse than living with people who go yes, no, well maybe, on the other hand, can we think about it once more, could we maybe .......


Maybe GB should just drop politics all together and just chatter about 1/4-black royal family members and racist brooches. Oh and we still don't know whether Diana's death was maybe the fault of the Al-Fayeds. Really, there are so many so much more important things to solve ....
By the time you get to leaving the EU nobody will remember what the EU ever was. LOL

[lewton]

Cameron had promised to implement the will of the British people, instead he resigned and left May to put the s**t in order.

Yes Curley- seriously. Not sure where you come from- but the UK's Parliamentary Democracy requires its Parliament (it's in the name, you know) to approve change, especially massive change as Brexit.

No-one, but no-one is aksing for a second Referendum. No-one, not even the Conservatives, who assured us we would remain in Single Market, remain in Customs Union, and so much more - knew what it would actually entail. So a vote on the final deal, by Parliament, is essential to uphold UK style Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy. We elect MPs to make informed decisions for us. Again, the UK is NOT Switzerland.

Personally, I think 'the people' should have a say too- once they actually know what it means in real terms.