The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I guess people like you... your miserable life.

Sheer desperation, faintly threatening self-pity or Panto season in full swing?

[marton]

	Quote:	curley
	Seems to me since they talk about it all the time it has diminished big time. tbh. I don't quite understand what you are saying. You don't want brexit because people didn't thinkit through first and it's too much hassle? Or you want brexit because - as you wouldn't have in your personal life - GB has given away so many things (custom's control, building decent harbours where lading of goods is actually possible .... and what ever more) which now shows how dependent they've become? That's a genuine question, I didn't understand the meaning of your post.

"building decent harbours where lading of goods is actually possible" I do not understand, the vast majority of UK imports already arrive by sea, some by air and none by road.

The issue is that due to the EU links the UK was able to save billions by not having custom controls at ports that handle EU goods.
Now due to Brexit the UK will likely have to undertake the enormous costs of building and running such controls for no financial benefit

[marton]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Sheer desperation, faintly threatening self-pity or Panto season in full swing?

Behind you!

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Sheer desperation, faintly threatening self-pity or Panto season in full swing?

Self pity? Not here, we’re still leaving sweetheart

	Quote:	marton
	They are not "unelected" Some people even voted for Farage Edit; the customs port in Rotterdam was not an EU decision.

The EU has FIVE presidents. You did not and cannot vote for any of them. But we’ve been through all this before.

A customs port for U.K. goods in Rotterdam has come about as a result of being in the EU.

[curley]

	Quote:	marton
	"building decent harbours where lading of goods is actually possible" I do not understand, the vast majority of UK imports already arrive by sea, some by air and none by road.

Did you read the article that FrankZappa displayed in one of his posts further up?

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	The EU has FIVE presidents. You did not and cannot vote for any of them.

The House of Lords has about 800 members, none of whom did you, or can you vote for, so that's not really a sensible metric for anything.

[parnell]

	Quote:
	The House of Lords has about 800 members, none of whom did you, or can you vote for, so that's not really a sensible metric for anything.

Because the House of Lords is your definition of good government is it ?? You're not even trying now!!

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Sheer desperation, faintly threatening self-pity or Panto season in full swing?

If it's not self pity, it's gotta be Panto.

Who's "we", paleface?

	Quote:	parnell
	Because the House of Lords is your definition of good government is it ?? You're not even trying now!!

Absolutely not, but it is what Brexiteers herald as the "right" way of doing things, despite the glaring irony I pointed out above.

[parnell]

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	Absolutely not, but it is what Brexiteers herald as the "right" way of doing things, despite the glaring irony I pointed out above.

I await your source for this statement - that the house of Lords represents the right way of doing things.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The EU has FIVE presidents. You did not and cannot vote for any of them. But we’ve been through all this before.

Yes we have been through this before and you still do not get it.
Never mind, after Brexit we will be able to to vote for both the UK Prime Minister and the Queen - oh wait a minute....

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A customs port for U.K. goods in Rotterdam has come about as a result of being in the EU.

Plus imaginative private enterprise
Today every EU external border entry point is a Customs point for the UK, not only Rotterdam!
That is why Brexit will cause Billions of extra costs for setting up UK Customs points if UK is not in the Customs union.

[marton]

	Quote:	parnell
	Because the House of Lords is your definition of good government is it ?? You're not even trying now!!

The House of Lords exists, has a key role in all UK Legislation creation and changes and is made up of unelected members.

Face the facts

Whether it is a definition of good government is not relevant, it exists. Join the ground keepers

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	[COLOR="Navy"] Today every EU external border entry point is a Customs point for the UK, not only Rotterdam! That is why Brexit will cause Billions of extra costs for setting up UK Customs points if UK is not in the Customs union.

Perhaps the UK wont bother with tariffs & therefore have zero customs points, a truly free trade country, like Hong Kong.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps the UK wont bother with tariffs & therefore have zero customs points, a truly free trade country, like Hong Kong.

"zero customs points"
Ah the new ambition to be the drug capital of the Western world.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Ah the new ambition to be the drug capital of the Western world.

You mean to replace Zurich?

[parnell]

	Quote:	marton
	The House of Lords exists, has a key role in all UK Legislation creation and changes and is made up of unelected members. Face the facts Whether it is a definition of good government is not relevant, it exists. Join the ground keepers

Kim Jung Un has a key role in all of things in North Korea - I suggest you go there - quickly if possible - and let us know how things are with your like-minded soul.

The point is that the less democracy the more bureaucrats thrive.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	curley
	That's a genuine question, I didn't understand the meaning of your post.

Genuine answer... I'm not adverse to change. I'm not adverse to risk taking, but I always want to know all the options, alternatives, plans, contingencies, etc. I have in the past, put a stupidly large percentage of my weekly income on a horse that I was sure would win, but that was based upon it's form, course, distance, trainer, etc. I've had that elusive 100/1 winner (Norton's Coin, 1990 Cheltenham Gold Cup).

I am, and have always been, 100% opoosed to Brexit. That will never change.

There are somethings I will never gamble with, No.1 being my freedom.

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	“A U.K. citizen living in France isn’t going to have the right to move to Italy under European law once the U.K. leaves.” It’s possible that some other agreement could be reached that would allow this, she says, but the current agreement doesn’t.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ope-landlocked

[curley]

	Quote:	marton
	Yes we have been through this before and you still do not get it. Never mind, after Brexit we will be able to to vote for both the UK Prime Minister and the Queen - oh wait a minute....

LOL

	Quote:	marton
	Plus imaginative private enterprise Today every EU external border entry point is a Customs point for the UK, not only Rotterdam! That is why Brexit will cause Billions of extra costs for setting up UK Customs points if UK is not in the Customs union.

When I look at the map, UK is the furthest point of Europe (except maybe for goods from Denmark) for goods to arrive.
Just imagine UK had made all the investments - how their stance would be now!
Yeah, well, they mucked up so often - I'm getting convinced that they will again.

[curley]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	<< Quote: “A U.K. citizen living in France isn’t going to have the right to move to Italy under European law once the U.K. leaves.” It’s possible that some other agreement could be reached that would allow this, she says, but the current agreement doesn’t.>>..... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ope-landlocked

eeehhhm, that quote was not from me although it looks as if in your post