The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[parnell]

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	Did you ever consider their local MP might not be a member of the Governing party, which gave rise to the issue?

Of course I considered it - but again if not even in the correct parliament they cannot influence events either way now can they ??

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	"The further away the constituency from the voter" - this makes zero sense, the voter by their very definition is in the constituency. Seriously, get a basic grasp of UK politics before embarassing yourself further.

Heh - do you understand that one can be in the same place - say Clapham and yet be in two constituencies at a single point in time ?? Apparently not so let me help you :

1. Clapham itself is a constituency within the UK parliament.

2. Clapham forms part of the London constituency within the EU parliament.

Now you might have an issue with some nonsense in the EU parliament in Clapham but sorry mate you're shit out of luck cos your "local" MP is responsible for the entirety of London and ain't so local!

I guess the "subtleties" were lost on you yet again...

[lewton]

	Quote:	Phos
	See you after Brexit!

I totally agree here.
I can't wait to make fun of all your Brexiteers (Brits and non-Brits) while the UK will be being ruined by Corbyn, proving the point that the problem with Britain was Britain itself and not the EU.

	Quote:	Phos
	If the EU gets into CH, I would probably leave.

No, you wouldn't.
You would only leave if you lost your fat salary.

[Uncle Max]

This thread is pants, despite the interesting topic. There's a reason so few contribute: it's a toxic circle jerk, curiously populated with self declared non Brits. Sad.

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	This thread is pants, despite the interesting topic. There's a reason so few contribute: it's a toxic circle jerk, curiously populated with self declared non Brits. Sad.

Ah- but who is who?

Who is less relevant here- those not born in the UK but lived there for a long time, loved the UK and still love it and intend to return?

Or those born there who left Blighty because 'it's gone to the dogs' and no-way would they ever return because it is **** - but who still were allowed to vote to settle old scores?

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	You did dodge the main issue though, the utter dismantling of your constituency point. So well done.

A "Constituency" can also mean an electoral district entity, distinct from its voters. But you're not nit-picking and attacking people to avoid a real discussion, are you?

	Quote:	Phos
	A "Constituency" can also mean an electoral district entity, distinct from its voters. But you're not nit-picking and attacking people to avoid a real discussion, are you?

And in this context, guess what, all of its voters (constituents) are in said constituency. A constituency does not exist without constituents, as I'm sure you agree.

[parnell]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Ha ha let's all make fun of people suffering with mental problems. I'm pretty certain you wouldn't mock StirB to his face. Gentleman that he is, he'd help you up off the deck.

I made a joke in that post?? I didn't mock StirB at all until he started having a go at others for not understanding "subtleties" in arguments - and then promptly fell over a couple of times himself. Also chum you don't know me either so props to you for backing up your pal there but let's leave the internet hardguy stuff off the forum shall we ??

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Ha ha let's all make fun of people suffering with mental problems. I'm pretty certain you wouldn't mock StirB to his face. Gentleman that he is, he'd help you up off the deck.

Whenever I'm winning an argument, I start throwing ad homs around the place. It's a surefire sign that one is winning and not a sign of desperation at all.

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	And in this context, guess what, all of its voters (constituents) are in said constituency. A constituency does not exist without constituents, as I'm sure you agree.

Right, but they are distinct. It often happens the vote of the constituency (seat) is far removed from the sentiments of the voters in the constituency. Happens all the time, probably more often that not.

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	parnell
	I made a joke in that post?? I didn't mock StirB at all until he started having a go at others for not understanding "subtleties" in arguments - and then promptly fell over a couple of times himself. Also chum you don't know me either so props to you for backing up your pal there but let's leave the internet hardguy stuff off the forum shall we ??

Oh my limp wrists are no threat to you, mister.

You're invited to retract your "mental problems" comment and rely instead on your powers of mannered persuasion. Being a big, confident fella you're able to do that, right?

	Quote:	Phos
	Right, but they are distinct. It often happens the vote of the constituency (seat) is far removed from the sentiments of the voters in the constituency. Happens all the time, probably more often that not.

Right, but that doesn't address the point that Parnell suggests that voters / constituents can be outside their constituency.

[parnell]

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	You did dodge the main issue though, the utter dismantling of your constituency point. So well done.

	Quote:	parnell

Very good. Please tell me again how voters can be outside their constituency?

[parnell]

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	Right, but that doesn't address the point that Parnell suggests that voters / constituents can be outside their constituency.

???? Read #10941 again oh meister of comprehension - there are two constituencies in two different parliaments. So kindly refrain from misrepresenting my point.

Aside from that even your misrepresentation of my point is entirely possible via postal votes. A person can be registered within one constituency and yet reside in another.

	Quote:	parnell
	???? Read #10941 again oh meister of comprehension - there are two constituencies in two different parliaments. So kindly refrain from misrepresenting my point. Aside from that even your misrepresentation of my point is entirely possible via postal votes. A person can be registered within one constituency and yet reside in another.

Your postal vote point is reasonable, and I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you ruined it with your first sentence...

I'll quote what you said again:

"The further away the constituency from the voter"

This makes no sense, as whether the voter is in the UK parliament constituency or in the EU Parliamentary constituency, they are still in the constituency and cannot be any distance away from it. I think maybe you meant "the larger the constituency" perhaps?

[marton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It no different what so ever. You can make the exact same argument by having a civil servant from Cornwall making decisions about what happens in say Armagh. But of course in your little world that is OK, because he is not a foreigner.

As I posted before, the major argument for Brexit is just jingoism

[parnell]

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	Your postal vote point is reasonable, and I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you ruined it with your first sentence... I'll quote what you said again: "The further away the constituency from the voter" This makes no sense, as whether the voter is in the UK parliament constituency or in the EU Parliamentary constituency, they are still in the constituency and cannot be any distance away from it. I think maybe you meant "the larger the constituency" perhaps?

Ahh ok - thanks - I see what you're getting at - fair enough I could have phrased it better to read "the larger the constituency". I would have thought it clear that this was a follow up post to the oft quoted maxim that "all politics are local" but it's a fair technicality only rendered invalid by the postal votes exception.

Glad we sorted that out.

[marton]

	Quote:	parnell
	Really ??? Did you ever consider that their local MP might not be a member of the governing body (in this case the European parliament) which gave rise to the issue ??? The further away the constituency from the voter no surprise the more waste and bureaucratic absurdity takes place. In fact a similar phenomenon is a large part of the problem with socialism as Milton Friedman has often pointed out - no one spends their money as efficiently or productively as they themselves do.

So for the European Parliament then they raise the issue with their local MEP (Member of the European Parliament.) not their local MP

Amusing that you comment on this process when you do not know how it works?

	Quote:	marton
	So for the European Parliament then they raise the issue with their local MEP (Member of the European Parliament.) not their local MP Amusing that you comment on this process when you do not know how it works?

Oh come on Martin, we just kissed and made up!