The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

France and Spain are full of Brits who voted leave- but would never live back in uk - and left for all sorts of reasons, the main ones cited being 'the sunshine' and 'the immigrants' ... The one in the video below voted to join the EU at the time... but voted leave- but still says he wants to remain in France. Most of those like him, who voted 'leave' from the EU and still want to remain in France or Spain, were agaisnt the EU from the start.

A young British man commented recently on a 'remain site that he is absolutely furious with his mother, who voted leave- but quickly got an Irish passport, having never lived in Ireland but because her parents were born there (and moved when very young) - so that she could keep all EU rights and advantages. There are 1000s and more.

https://youtu.be/61AvlpjaziY

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	France and Spain are full of Brits who voted leave- but would never live back in uk - and left for all sorts of reasons, the main ones cited being 'the sunshine' and 'the immigrants' ... The one in the video below voted to join the EU at the time... but voted leave- but still says he wants to remain in France. Most of those like him, who voted 'leave' from the EU and still want to remain in France or Spain, were agaisnt the EU from the start. A young British man commented recently on a 'remain site that he is absolutely furious with his mother, who voted leave- but quickly got an Irish passport, having never lived in Ireland but because her parents were born there (and moved when very young) - so that she could keep all EU rights and advantages. There are 1000s and more. https://youtu.be/61AvlpjaziY

Not all of us vote for naked self interest, Odile.

Some of us have principles.

[parnell]

	Quote:	marton
	So for the European Parliament then they raise the issue with their local MEP (Member of the European Parliament.) not their local MP Amusing that you comment on this process when you do not know how it works?

If a "local" MEP who represents 10m people is "local" to you then I suggest you try to get an appointment and see how long it takes to get your issue brought up ... and yes I do speak from experience.

Still waffling on ... what you do right ?

[parnell]

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	Oh come on Martin, we just kissed and made up!

Jaysus... couldn't we just hold hands and stare at sunsets ???

principles that don't and won't apply to YOU though - that is my point.

We certainly did not vote for self-interest either - but for our children and grandchildren. The lower the £, the more profit we will make when we return actually.

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	principles that don't and won't apply to YOU though - that is my point.

Sorry, excuse me, but how many citizenships do I hold?

Oh yes, that's right. Just the one. The British one. Like my father and my grandfather and great-grandfather before me.

You can burn your British passport anytime you like and it won't make any difference to you.

You know what you can do with your supercilious attitude, Heidi.

[marton]

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	So I think your logic admits the more layers there are, the less likely issues surfaces up to the top for discussion.

But the EU has fewer layers than the UK so by this logic it is better.?

When the UK House of Parliament makes a decision it has to go to the House of Lords to be approved.

When the EU Parliament makes a decision then that is it, finished. There is no higher body.

	Quote:	parnell
	Jaysus... couldn't we just hold hands and stare at sunsets ???

I believe both are constituent parts of a solid relationship.

	Quote:	marton
	But the EU has fewer layers than the UK so by this logic it is better.? When the UK House of Parliament makes a decision it has to go to the House of Lords to be approved. When the EU Parliament makes a decision then that is it, finished. There is no higher body.

Is that suppose to be an argument for political engagement?

[marton]

	Quote:	parnell
	If a "local" MEP who represents 10m people is "local" to you then I suggest you try to get an appointment and see how long it takes to get your issue brought up ... and yes I do speak from experience. Still waffling on ... what you do right ?

There are 73 UK MEPs who, according to your post, each represent 10m people so consequently there are 730m people in the UK

Information on how to make an UK MEP appointment here.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	parnell
	If a "local" MEP who represents 10m people is "local" to you then I suggest you try to get an appointment and see how long it takes to get your issue brought up ... and yes I do speak from experience. Still waffling on ... what you do right ?

- The UK has 73 MEPs with a population of about 65m... is credibility is an issue.

- MEPs are party representatives and follow party policies, so working to change policies would be the way to go

- While I can seen people having a desire or a need to meet local community and nation representatives seeking assistance and representation to the local bureaucracy, I fail to see a similar need to have face to face meeting with MEPs.

[marton]

	Quote:	parnell
	Jaysus... couldn't we just hold hands and stare at sunsets ???

Too late, it is already dark

[marton]

	Quote:	Phos
	Is that suppose to be an argument for political engagement?

No it was an attempt to correct misconceptions - sigh!

[Jim2007]

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	A young British man commented recently on a 'remain site that he is absolutely furious with his mother, who voted leave- but quickly got an Irish passport, having never lived in Ireland but because her parents were born there (and moved when very young) - so that she could keep all EU rights and advantages. There are 1000s and more.

Well pretty much everyone born in NI are entitled to an Irish Passport and indeed some DUP MPs have been advising their constituents to apply for one In fact you can even pick up the application form at any post office in NI. That is the advantage of the DUP, anything goes wrong and they have an out - get an Irish passport and if that is not enough NI gets to join the EU automatically as part of a united Ireland.

On the other hand we only allow people resident in the country to actually vote in elections. With one exception the education panel in the Seanad or upper house.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It no different what so ever. You can make the exact same argument by having a civil servant from Cornwall making decisions about what happens in say Armagh. But of course in your little world that is OK, because he is not a foreigner.

Yes, the smaller the better, which is why I admire the cantonal system in Switzerland. Regardless, it’s still better to make legislation for 65 million people that share a language, passport, culture etc. than it is to do it for 500 million.

I don't think that people in the Outer Hebrides share much language or culture with people in Brixton, or Oldham, or Swansea.

Britain is a diverse place, some people haven't really got used to that yet.

[marton]

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	I don't think that people in the Outer Hebrides share much language or culture with people in Brixton, or Oldham, or Swansea. Britain is a diverse place, some people haven't really got used to that yet.

You missed out Scotland who wanted to secede

Demonstrating the fallibility of the implicit assumption that there is a common British view on anything.

	Quote:	marton
	You missed out Scotland who wanted to secede

Where do you think the Outer Hebrides are?

[marton]

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	Where do you think the Outer Hebrides are?

Always thought they were part of Iceland

[Blueangel]

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	I don't think that people in the Outer Hebrides share much language or culture with people in Brixton, or Oldham, or Swansea.

I've never felt more like 'a foreigner' than the 6mths I lived in Godalming (a.k.a. the land that time forgot...then flooded). It was like Royston Vasey meets Brigadoon.

In other Brexit news...

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	The former transport secretary claimed Theresa May had become the "voice of UKIP" and the "extreme" right-wing of her party in a scathing resignation letter.

https://news.sky.com/story/lord-adon...plans-11188731