The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Well obviously you did, go back and read your posts it is only a couple of weeks ago since you were singing the man’s praises for heavens sake!

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You’ll have to jog my memory.

Makes random statement. Doesn’t back up random statement. Gets three thanks.

GOTTA LUV DA EF!

[marton]

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	Sorry, excuse me, but how many citizenships do I hold? Oh yes, that's right. Just the one. The British one. Like my father and my grandfather and great-grandfather before me. You can burn your British passport anytime you like and it won't make any difference to you. You know what you can do with your supercilious attitude, Heidi.

Peasant!

I have three citizenships
But none with more than two generations behind them

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Odile
	Nasty that ...sad too. Sometimes it is better not to reply-so I won't. But I am a Brit and always will be, probably more than I am Swiss. The fact you can't or won't be both- is not my problem.

Hi, one of my passports is British, thus I‘m British. I also happen to identify with the other nationalities I legally and culturally claim, no matter the genetic heritage of my forefathers. Odile: be whoever you want to be, nobody of sound mind is remotely bothered. Some actually celebrate the MultiCulti groove and thank goodness, otherwise the DNA pool would soon become fetid. Nationality by definition is something by which you identify. The rest is legalese.

However, any true Scotsman...

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Makes random statement. Doesn’t back up random statement. Gets three thanks. GOTTA LUV DA EF!

Ya, that pretty much describes you alright! Although I’m surprised you got that many thanks.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I doubt the £ will soften, likely to strengthen substantially in a 5-10 year timescale. As a UK resident using EXIT will be difficult as if you are helped by anyone to get to CH whom is UK resident they will be liable to Criminal charges as assisted suicide is illegal in the UK.

Really? How do Dignitas manage it then? Haven't heard of any UK resident helping a relative/friend use their services being prosecuted in the UK.

A quick google says 2 people since about 2009.

[Blueangel]

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	I'm just English, like my dad and his dad and his dad before him. I have no other nationality. If the United Kingdom goes tits up, I'm fecked. If British citizens are expelled from the EU and Switzerland, I'm fecked. The current state and future of the United Kingdom matter to me on a deep level that you can never even begin to understand.

Ditto.

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	... I'll always have a back door out of central Europe if things get too hot. That option wouldn't be available for Urs and Vreneli next door. So, no. What happens to the United Kingdom isn't as important to you as it is to me, because I don't have the options and escape routes that you do.

Do you not see the contradiction there? You and Odile have the same 'escape route', yet you seem to resent that she shares that. The difference is that Odile worked for it. It wasn't just a happy accident of birth. The real irony is that you're currently working to achieve the same, but because Switzerland can be a more insular nation, you perceive your situation to be radically different.

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	You're not a Brit. You never will be. Just as I will never be Swiss. So stop trying to crack on that you care more about our country than we do.

I hope that I know you better than to believe you would apply that sentiment to other multi-nationals.

Just because claim you will never feel Swiss, just because others may remind you that you're "not truly Swiss", doesn't mean that in 25yrs time, you won't be Swiss and damned proud of it too. When your kids have completed their schooling and national service, god help anyone who claims they're not Swiss. I suspect you will rip them a new one.

I hope that one day, when you have lived here as long as Odile lived in the UK, that you will think long and hard about how offensive the words you wrote tonight are. It's fine that you don't agree with Odile, and that she's not your kind of person, but what you wrote crossed a line that I hope was not intentional.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Really? How do Dignitas manage it then? Haven't heard of any UK resident helping a relative/friend use their services being prosecuted in the UK. A quick google says 2 people since about 2009.

And remember that if successfully prosecuted won't be able to inherit anything, so life after leaving prison may be disappointing.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Ya, that pretty much describes you alright! Although I’m surprised you got that many thanks.

Ah, so it was bollocks then. Glad we cleared that up.

[lewton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	No requirement to give up your British Nationality, this is CH not DE.

In Germany he could also keep both nationalities, at least until Brexit.

[Odile]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	And remember that if successfully prosecuted won't be able to inherit anything, so life after leaving prison may be disappointing.

Don't worry - I shall make sure, if and when the time comes, to protect my nearest and dearest- plenty of friends in CH who would come to fetch me and help me. But it is very kind of you to care so much

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Don't worry - I shall make sure, if and when the time comes, to protect my nearest and dearest- plenty of friends in CH who would come to fetch me and help me. But it is very kind of you to care so much

They would still potentially be liable to criminal prosecution in the UK, you actually have to get to CH totally unaided.

[Odile]

Oh no they would not- you do not have to worry for me or them at all...Who on earth would know anyone helped me anyhow, and that that was the purpose of their assistance?

Dignitas is totally different to EXIT. I'd make sure to come and stay at the flat well in advance and make the request a while after arrival, from Switzerland. I have checked with EXIT and my own solicitor. But again, thanks for caring.

You'll be glad to know I am very well and have no intention ever to request EXIT help - but you never know. Like REGA, EXIT is a wonderful 'insurance' because **** happens.

[st2lemans]

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	I won't ever be Swiss according to my principles, simply because I am unwilling to give up my British nationality.

Fair enough, and one reason that I AM Swiss, as I no longer have any other allegiance.

Tom

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Ahh yes, moving the goal posts. StirB has an expression for that. Homelessness is used by government ombudsman to refer to households in temporary accommodation, people in B&Bs etc. The rest of the English speaking world use it to refer to people sleeping rough on the street. We were clearly talking about the latter.

"The dearth of affordable homes combined with crippling welfare cuts means having a job is now not enough to protect people from becoming homeless"

Article on the pressure on the working poor here.

"I’m working. I’m a normal person. I walked past people sleeping on the street and never thought in a million years that could be me, and yet suddenly it is me"

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	"The dearth of affordable homes combined with crippling welfare cuts means having a job is now not enough to protect people from becoming homeless" Article on the pressure on the working poor here. "I’m working. I’m a normal person. I walked past people sleeping on the street and never thought in a million years that could be me, and yet suddenly it is me"

I saw this in a small way in the eighties when I was looking for somewhere to rent in between houses of my own.

The young couple who were viewing the flat as I arrived were highly delighted with the place, definitely wanted it and reckoned they could afford it. The trouble was that it became vacant half way through the month so instead of 1 month's rent in advance, the landlord wanted the deposit plus 6 weeks' rent in advance.

The couple had budgeted for the deposit plus one month's rent. That extra two weeks was beyond their means.

Losing the chance of a place you think you have in the bag is as easy as that.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	"The dearth of affordable homes combined with crippling welfare cuts means having a job is now not enough to protect people from becoming homeless" Article on the pressure on the working poor here. "I’m working. I’m a normal person. I walked past people sleeping on the street and never thought in a million years that could be me, and yet suddenly it is me"

Affordable homes will return when rent subsidies & purchase subsidies are ended. Rent's are priced in a free market at what people CAN pay, reduce the ABILITY to pay & prices will fall.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Affordable homes will return when rent subsidies & purchase subsidies are ended. Rent's are priced in a free market at what people CAN pay, reduce the ABILITY to pay & prices will fall.

Which, given many of the government are landlords, will be 10 past never.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Affordable homes will return when rent subsidies & purchase subsidies are ended. Rent's are priced in a free market at what people CAN pay, reduce the ABILITY to pay & prices will fall.

Reducing people's ability to pay does in imply that rent prices will fall, it simply means people will need to cut back on something, but unlikely to be that which they spend on accommodation as it is so essential.

People in Ireland and the UK among a few others need to cop on and accept that a housing policy that requires people to take on large amounts of debt or rely on social welfare to put a roof over their heads is nonsense.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Which, given many of the government are landlords, will be 10 past never.

Your obviously unaware of S24 of the finance act that will over the next 3 UK tax years make any landlord with a 65% mortgage loose money after tax as mortgage interest will no longer be deductible at the taxpayers marginal rate.

UK hose prices will fall substantially as Prime central London as already done. The big losers will be people who bought with a 40% interest free help to buy loan & the government who underwrote that loan.

[curley]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Your obviously unaware of S24 of the finance act that will over the next 3 UK tax years make any landlord with a 65% mortgage loose money after tax as mortgage interest will no longer be deductible at the taxpayers marginal rate.......

What's that? Mortage interest no longer deductable in England? Where does the 65% play into this?
And what do you mean by 3 UK tax years? Is that a rule limited to 3 years?