The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[curley]

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	Definitive proof, if ever it were needed, that we are being controlled by a bunch of wankers... https://www.theguardian.com/politics...since-election

<<the available data showed there were 30,876 attempts from March to October.>>

But the proof is not primarily in what they're interested in during work time but that they keep trying to access those sites when they know they are a) blocked and b) statistically gathered each year. LOL.
Indeed it says a lot about the English parliament

[Urs Max]

What happened to progressive taxation? Up in smoke?

[Uncle Max]

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	What happened to progressive taxation? Up in smoke?

Users are happy when I say nothing and Thank accordingly.

	Quote:	curley
	the English parliament

If only we had one.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Users are happy when I say nothing and Thank accordingly.

There are plenty of users that I would thank for saying nothing.

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	If only we had one.

You kinda do with the implementation of EVEL.

[J2488]

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Davis and Hammond go begging to German industry leaders to include financial services in their deal...

Is this the 'taking back control' they were rattling on about?

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	A failure to seal a deal including services could be catastrophic for City of London, which is the financial capital of Europe and depends on the pan-European financial passport to operate across the sector in all countries in the EU. Britain’s decision to leave the EU has already caused havoc in the financial services sector with thousands of jobs in corporate banking, asset management and insurance being moved to Frankfurt, Luxembourg, Amsterdam, Paris and Dublin. The Hammond-Davis remarks and speech by the chancellor in Berlin on Wednesday night are the opening shots in what promises to be a challenging 10 months of negotiation on the final Brexit deal. The EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier warned the UK last month: “There is no place [for financial services]. There is not a single trade agreement that is open to financial services. It doesn’t exist.”

So, it seems the UKGov has conceded they arent going to win the negotiations and have started to beg individual businesses.

How dignified...

Remember Auf Wiedersehen Pet?

When the unemployed from Newcastle would leave their homes and family- to go and steal German jobs and work at below rate to undercut them - in the Thatcher era? Working on the 'black' and sending all money home?

Here is Episode one. Good luck with the Geordie accent for you non UK people (or for the Southerners among you - I understand them better than my Surrey bred OH, lol).

https://youtu.be/3tklaMNH7IA

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Similar views then to the former leader of your beloved Lib Dems. And yet you still vote for them.

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	You mean the Tim Farron that has repeatedly voted in favour of same sex marriage in parliament? The Tim Farron quoted directly as saying “I am pro-choice. I believe that abortion should be safe and legal and that the limit should be set by science”? Possible (but questionable) he had stricter views on abortion 10 or more years ago but despite the negative press is pretty clear now.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	They're very different people. Both are Christians. Both have strong beliefs in their faith. One speaks out about it and has the voting record to match. One refused to speak out about it, be defined by it, and had a exemplorary voting record on LGBT rights. What one believes as a private individual, can be markedly different to what one believes is best for the nation as a whole. I don't impose my strongly held, personal beliefs on my OH, nevermind anyone else. That's the difference.

LOL

Former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron admits he lied does in fact think gay sex is a sin

[marton]

A no-deal Brexit could cause the UK to lose half a million jobs and nearly £50bn in investment by 2030, according to an economic forecast commissioned by the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan.

The report, which models five possible scenarios for leaving the EU ranging from a near-status quo situation to leaving on World Trade Organisation terms without any transition agreement, warns that the worst option could be a “lost decade” of economic slump.

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Probably just Project Fear

	Quote:	marton
	Probably just Project Fear

Probably just Sadiq Khan

	Quote:	Loz1983
	LOL Former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron admits he lied does in fact think gay sex is a sin

That is funny, ironic and quite brave, in this Orwellian age of Liberal Inquisition.

<sigh> oh may it soon pass like a bad Mullet hairstyle

[Castro]

We really are through the looking glass now folks... Farage would back a second referendum

Nigel Farage warming to second EU referendum

I don't believe the hyperbole about this killing off the Remain vote once and for all. He's realised that the Tories won't give him the hard Brexit Utopia he always dreamt of, so better hit the reset button than be left holding the baby of a bodged Brexit.

	Quote:	Castro
	We really are through the looking glass now folks... Farage would back a second referendum Nigel Farage warming to second EU referendum I don't believe the hyperbole about this killing off the Remain vote once and for all. He's realised that the Tories won't give him the hard Brexit Utopia he always dreamt of, so better hit the reset button than be left holding the baby of a bodged Brexit.

The irony is that since the referendum, the realities of leaving the EU have been thrown into the spotlight without the puppeteers in government being able to cover it all up and put their own spin on it.

Although I'm fairly sure the result would be resoundingly different this time, I'm fairly sure the costs of running it again it would be prohibitive (£150 mill last time, plus whatever funds they've chucked at it in the last 18 months to get it off the ground?) so I guess they've made their bed, they have to lie in it.

[curley]

	Quote:	Castro
	We really are through the looking glass now folks... Farage would back a second referendum Nigel Farage warming to second EU referendum I don't believe the hyperbole about this killing off the Remain vote once and for all. He's realised that the Tories won't give him the hard Brexit Utopia he always dreamt of, so better hit the reset button than be left holding the baby of a bodged Brexit.

Cute, an other request for advice from the people. What is brexit? An illness? (maybe the homoeopaths will know what to do?)
And if it turns out "remain" you will need a third referendum, no?

Seriously

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Castro
	We really are through the looking glass now folks... Farage would back a second referendum Nigel Farage warming to second EU referendum

Just spent the afternoon discussing this with my mates in the UK. If you get a chance, please watch the show he said it on. There's one school of thought that says Farage no longer has any influence in British politics, but if that's truly the case, why was he in talks with Barnier last week?

Say what you will about the over eager puppy journo that is Matthew Wright, but he managed to get Farage relaxed enough to open up more than I've seen him do recently. He went back and forth on the idea of a second referendum, before finally nailing his colours to the mast. He also made two highly inaccurate, and unchallenged references to Switzerland, before bemoaning that the EU have ripped him off for £45k in his wages and are trying to get out of paying his pension. Oh dear...what a pity...never mind

[Blueangel]

p.s. (because it won't let me edit) Farage reckons a rerun of the referendum would now produce a 70% Leave vote which would shut up the remainers for good. Hmmm....

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Just spent the afternoon discussing this with my mates in the UK. If you get a chance, please watch the show he said it on. There's one school of thought that says Farage no longer has any influence in British politics, but if that's truly the case, why was he in talks with Barnier last week? Say what you will about the over eager puppy journo that is Matthew Wright, but he managed to get Farage relaxed enough to open up more than I've seen him do recently. He went back and forth on the idea of a second referendum, before finally nailing his colours to the mast. He also made two highly inaccurate, and unchallenged references to Switzerland, before bemoaning that the EU have ripped him off for £45k in his wages and are trying to get out of paying his pension. Oh dear...what a pity...never mind

"why was he in talks with Barnier last week"
Farage is an MEP and chair of Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy Group, I assume Barnier cannot avoid him

	Quote:	Blueangel
	p.s. (because it won't let me edit) Farage reckons a rerun of the referendum would now produce a 70% Leave vote which would shut up the remainers for good. Hmmm....

Would he accept a 48/52 % hey

[Castro]

	Quote:	marton
	"why was he in talks with Barnier last week"

My thoughts are that he learnt something new at his meeting with Barnier e.g. May has secretly agreed a soft and bouncy Brexit which'll be 'Remain' in all but name.
Therefore if he loses a second referendum then at least we won't be lumbered with that and if they win then they have an overwhelming mandate for a nuclear Brexit.

[curley]

	Quote:	Castro
	.... a soft and bouncy Brexit which'll be 'Remain' in all but name.....

Intriguing.