The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[StirB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Food is hugely more expensive due to C.A.P. German cars compete with Japanese cars

Britain is not self sufficient in food, it is estimated to be about 62% self sufficient, so whichever way you want to spin it, we're going to have to import our food deficit at a higher price than before, or go back to a more basic diet. #Winning

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	StirB
	Britain is not self sufficient in food, it is estimated to be about 62% self sufficient, so whichever way you want to spin it, we're going to have to import our food deficit at a higher price than before, or go back to a more basic diet. #Winning

Post war rationing and grow-your-own might fight the obesity crisis in the UK with the knock-on effect of relieving the pressure on the NHS. Win-win!

Dig for Brexit!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Food is hugely more expensive due to C.A.P. German cars compete with Japanese cars

The research reports seem to suggest about 14% - 16% actually and since CAP is also about sustainable farming, maintaining the country side, improving the lives of people in the agricultural sector similar to structural funds, it is not even a great comparison in any case.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	The research reports seem to suggest about 14% - 16% actually and since CAP is also about sustainable farming, maintaining the country side, improving the lives of people in the agricultural sector similar to structural funds, it is not even a great comparison in any case.

Subsidising inefficient Farming, remember butter & beef mountains, wine likes that sort of wastage which I don't approve of.

[StirB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Subsidising inefficient Farming, remember butter & beef mountains, wine likes that sort of wastage which I don't approve of.

Ok, but that's a personal preference, not a fact. Jim quoted you a fact.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	StirB
	Ok, but that's a personal preference, not a fact. Jim quoted you a fact.

Jim quoted some EU research, nothing to do with fact, merely the researchers opinion.

Are you saying Butter & Beef mountains & wine lakes never happened, fact or fiction?

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	StirB
	Britain is not self sufficient in food, it is estimated to be about 62% self sufficient, so whichever way you want to spin it, we're going to have to import our food deficit at a higher price than before, or go back to a more basic diet. #Winning

Dreggs are expanding with 130 new stores, so let them eat sausage roll.

[Reb77Br]

	Quote:	marton
	Boris Johnson said that the UK’s EU contribution was already up to £362m per week for 2017-18 from the £350M originally quoted and would rise annually to £410m, £431m, and then to £438m by 2020-21 – “theoretically the last year of the transition period”. Johnson argued that it was reasonable to use the gross figure because the UK government would “take back control” of the full amount Forecasts for the cost of the UK’s contribution to the EU have gone up since 2016 - in part because the value of sterling against the euro slumped as a result of the leave vote that Johnson helped to orchestrate. Open Britain, which is campaigning for a soft Brexit, issued this statement "Boris Johnson promised £350m a week for the NHS while telling us the EU could go whistle but then backed a £40bn divorce bill. " Source Strange news day!

I'm sure the pro-Brexit politicians throw that phrase around in the hope that it has a hypnotic effect on the population and they start slavering for Brexit like Pavlov's dogs. The Brexit campaigners spouted it constantly during the referendum to the extent that when Gove did his solo appearance on Question Time I kept a piece of paper to hand and noted how often he said "control" or "take back control": 13 times in 45 minutes.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Dreggs are expanding with 130 new stores, so let them eat sausage roll.

Fresh out of the oven they are fabulous, shame nothing as good available in CH.

[Dougal's Breakfast]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Fresh out of the oven they are fabulous, shame nothing as good available in CH.

On a cold, wet morning down the park there was nothing to beat a Greggs cheese pastie.

[amogles]

	Quote:	StirB
	Britain is not self sufficient in food, it is estimated to be about 62% self sufficient, so whichever way you want to spin it, we're going to have to import our food deficit at a higher price than before, or go back to a more basic diet. #Winning

It depends how those 62% are defined.

A lot of British-produced food is actually meat. Even much of the crop acreage you see is actually used for the manufacture of animal feed. It's an important part of British agriculture.

If you grow more green stuff for humans instead, you actually have a higher yield per acreage and can feed more people with the same land. Not one-on-one of course as places like the high moors are not really suitable for anything besides sheep. But in many cases the shift would be possible.

On the other hand you can argue that meat is actually the higher value food and you can make more money off it. So it's better for the economy.

So maybe we could be self sufficient if we really had to be but we don't want to be as we make more money with meat?

	Quote:	StirB
	Britain is not self sufficient in food, it is estimated to be about 62% self sufficient, so whichever way you want to spin it, we're going to have to import our food deficit at a higher price than before, or go back to a more basic diet. #Winning

Or the UK imports from Africa, Asia and the Americas without tariffs at a lower price than before.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Or the UK imports from Africa, Asia and the Americas without tariffs at a lower price than before.

So putting British farmers out of business, why would you do that?

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	So putting British farmers out of business, why would you do that?

How high would we have to set tarriffs to make the production of, say, bananas profitable in Britain?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	So putting British farmers out of business, why would you do that?

Why should any industry be subsidised in a capitalist society? More land for housing In any case they were complaining no cheap labour from eastern EU after BREXIT.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Subsidising inefficient Farming, remember butter & beef mountains, wine likes that sort of wastage which I don't approve of.

When was the last time you heard of a butter mountain etc.... you are years behind! Go do a bit of research.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Why should any industry be subsidised in a capitalist society? More land for housing In any case they were complaining no cheap labour from eastern EU after BREXIT.

There is a reason why even the US continues to provide farm subsidies. Go back and read some of the reports on negotiations over farm subsides in the GAAT negotiations between the USA and the EU in the 90s to understand the topic.

[marton]

	Quote:	amogles
	How high would we have to set tarriffs to make the production of, say, bananas profitable in Britain?

You are cherry picking, or should I say banana picking

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Or the UK imports from Africa, Asia and the Americas without tariffs at a lower price than before.

No they will not! Go back and have a look at the WTO tariffs database and note the minimum tariffs required to be imposed by the importing country on each category. To get around it they would need to have trade agreements in place and approved by the WTO.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Why should any industry be subsidised in a capitalist society? More land for housing In any case they were complaining no cheap labour from eastern EU after BREXIT.

Without subsidies or tariff protection, there would be no UK industry; people would have to eke out a precarious living taking in each others washing