The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	curley
	Can't she put her foot down? Attachment 132233

is that you, Arlene?

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	They won't. And as someone who voted for Brexit (and would vote for Brexit again should the question be put to the people again), I find that profoundly disappointing. As I've said before, the Tories offered the demos a choice of chips or rice, knowing full well that nobody had bought any potatoes. The sheer incompetence and irresponsibility of this simple act is not far from treasonous. This may well be the United Kingdom's only opportunity to leave the vile, corrupt organisation that is the European Union, and so far the signs are not looking good. I would not be at all surprised to see Brexit cancelled and the United Kingdom become a full member of the EU with the Euro as our currency and battalions of the European Army stationed on our shores, all because Cameron and his cronies couldn't be arsed to do the groundwork for a proper departure. The fact that membership of the European Economic Community and later the European Union was a Tory project all along might not be an entirely irrelevant point, either. They simply never wanted it, didn't prepare for it, offered it to us anyway, and now have no way of delivering it. Bastards, the lot of them.

Surely, a vote needs to be cast with the political context in mind- it must have been crystal clear that the GVT was totally unprepared for this, and totally divided too- and that there are just so many obstacles which makes Brexit impossible in the timeframe- like Ireland/NI, etc. Voting out of spite is pretty useless and non-sensical.

[McTAVGE]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	I saw on the side of a bus that it's the 350 millionth page, but my sources are dodgy. I was going to say "catch up" and link you to the earlier post of Jacob Rees Mogg in a topper and tails, but the hotlinked image is of the latest edition of Private Eye, which is just as good for a chuckle. Oh, found the original: lulz, more like. It's a proper British balls up.

I'm a subscriber, so Private Eye comes to my letter box every Tuesday.

[marton]

Britain has registered its first rise in unemployment since the Brexit referendum in 2016.
The increase in the jobless rate to 4.4% surprised economists, and the pound dropped by about 0.6% against the dollar.

Source

Probably just a temporary blip

[curley]

	Quote:	marton
	Britain has registered its first rise in unemployment since the Brexit referendum in 2016. The increase in the jobless rate to 4.4% surprised economists, and the pound dropped by about 0.6% against the dollar. Source Probably just a temporary blip

It doesn't surprise me at all. This 'yes/no/maybe/please don't, can we have an open end discussion (roflmao)' by everybody including the government is not the basis business prospers on.

Why should anybody - including the Brits - invest a single penny if they don't even know which rule they should follow and in what scenario they should plan and calculate?!

[Jim2007]

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	Surely, a vote needs to be cast with the political context in mind- it must have been crystal clear that the GVT was totally unprepared for this, and totally divided too- and that there are just so many obstacles which makes Brexit impossible in the timeframe- like Ireland/NI, etc. Voting out of spite is pretty useless and non-sensical.

I think part of the problem is that UK voters were ill equipped to deal with the situation - they were used to using elections to punish governments and many voters applied that same logic. I also would not be surprised that many expect to be able to simply change it at some future election down the line if they don’t like it.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Britain has registered its first rise in unemployment since the Brexit referendum in 2016. The increase in the jobless rate to 4.4% surprised economists, and the pound dropped by about 0.6% against the dollar. Source Probably just a temporary blip

It is very surprising because right now they have the best of both worlds - full acces to EU markets and an undervalued currency - they should be steaming ahead...

	Quote:	marton
	UK wants open-ended Brexit transition period, Whitehall paper shows source no Brexit

Well that headline changed pretty quickly. Like so many Graun "leaked papers" it turns out to be BS. Remember this story was the lead on their website yesterday afternoon.

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Well that headline changed pretty quickly. Like so many Graun "leaked papers" it turns out to be BS. Remember this story was the lead on their website yesterday afternoon.

"Kremlin / Whitehouse / Downing St deny involvement" usually means the opposite is confirmed.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Well that headline changed pretty quickly. Like so many Graun "leaked papers" it turns out to be BS. Remember this story was the lead on their website yesterday afternoon.

Not exactly BS, the paper says

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	The UK believes the Period’s duration should be determined simply by how long it will take to prepare and implement the new processes and new systems that will underpin the future partnership. The UK agrees this points to a period of around two years, but wishes to discuss with the EU the assessment that supports its proposed end date. There shall be an implementation period (the ‘Period’), which shall start on the date of entry into force of this Agreement and end on [31 December 2020]

You see the end date is in square brackets and these are defined in the paper as meaning the end date needs to be negotiated and agreed.

You can read the whole document here.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	It gets funnier / more shambolic / more frustrating / more desperate than that.

Andrew Rawnsley summed it up a couple of weeks ago:

"The government can’t govern and the opposition doesn’t want to oppose."

	Quote:	Blueangel
	For anyone who has been asleep all week, there's now a pro-Remain party called Renew https://renewbritain.org/ Whilst I'm an unswerving remainer, the language this bunch of chancers have used on their website and in tv interviews, is beyond pathetic/poor/insulting.

I'm not sure I've got the stamina for that.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Then we have the PM giving a terrible interview on 'This Morning' of all things. It comes to something when everyone realises Phillip Scholfield has got the better of you on live tv. Gordon the Gopher would be so proud of his protégé. Then we have the Tory back(stabbers) benchers, some of whom have been sacked by the PM within the last 12mths, sending an open letter to the PM filled with little hints and tips on how to achieve a good Brexit. Then you watch the PM's performance in today's PMQs....and feel the need to take a trip to Ikea, which is my vision of hell, but far preferable to her infernal prattling. I give up!

Something I jotted down yesterday in an idle moment:

"Notice to HM Govt.

Now that you have demonstrated that you cannot organise a piss-up in a brewery, can you please vacate the premises? The brewery's customers would like to have regular supplies restored."

[marton]

Under what is understood to be Mays preferred model, the UK would be in regulatory alignment with the EU in some areas while finding different ways to achieve the same outcomes in other sectors.
In the so-called third basket of sectors, the UK would in time diverge from the EU and go its own way under the model.

It is claimed by Brussels that such an approach would breach an agreement among EU27 leaders to prevent cherry-picking by the UK that it is said would pose a risk to the integrity of the single market.


The document says: “UK views on regulatory issues in the future relationship including ‘three basket approach’ are not compatible with the principles in the [European council] guidelines.”

Source

[Blueangel]

Phillip Scholfield scored another peach of an inyerview on This Morning with Henry Bolton and his squeeze. This one got me thinking....

Former UKIP leader, Farage, had a German wife and French lover.
Boltin has had a Danish wife and two Russian wives, the last one of which has taken the kids and gone working in Vienna to support the family whilst he gets his end away with a vile piece of work.

It seems to me that two UKIP leaders have made above average use of immigration to supplement their love lives. And that's without even mentioning the walking Wotsit over the pond.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	The document says: “UK views on regulatory issues in the future relationship including ‘three basket approach’ are not compatible with the principles in the [European council] guidelines.”

Then there's this one that's been brewing since this morning...

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	Labour leader may have revealed key policy ahead of speech Support for a customs union with EU has majority in parliament

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...y-s-government

[Medea Fleecestealer]

And Labour still trying to cherry pick, even though the EU has made it clear that won't happen.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43189878

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	And Labour still trying to cherry pick, even though the EU has made it clear that won't happen. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43189878

You didn't bother reading your own link I presume. What they appear to be about to propose is possible although imo not very helpful as long as the UK is not part of the single market. Basically a Turkey solution.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

You presume wrong.

"At the heart of the European Union sit four key principles: the free movement of goods, services, capital and labour. The “four freedoms” were enshrined in the 1957 Treaty of Rome and reinforced in the Single European Act in 1986, the 1992 Maastricht treaty and the Lisbon treaty of 2007."

Tariff free customs union = free movement of goods - which the EU has said repeatedly will not come about without the other 3 principles being accepted as well, i.e. be a member of the EU. Labour simply trying to cherry pick.

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	You presume wrong. "At the heart of the European Union sit four key principles: the free movement of goods, services, capital and labour. The “four freedoms” were enshrined in the 1957 Treaty of Rome and reinforced in the Single European Act in 1986, the 1992 Maastricht treaty and the Lisbon treaty of 2007." Tariff free customs union = free movement of goods - which the EU has said repeatedly will not come about without the other 3 principles being accepted as well, i.e. be a member of the EU. Labour simply trying to cherry pick.

No. You are confusing the single market (which includes the 4 freedoms) with a customs union (which does not/does not necessarily). See this which was sub-linked in your own linked article.

Not being part of the single market is the reason why I think this will not be helpful to the UK but given the solution already exists elsewhere (Turkey, for example) it clearly is possible and is not (necessarily) cherry picking.

Trying to remain in the single market without accepting the 4 freedoms would be cherry picking.

[marton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	You presume wrong. "At the heart of the European Union sit four key principles: the free movement of goods, services, capital and labour. The “four freedoms” were enshrined in the 1957 Treaty of Rome and reinforced in the Single European Act in 1986, the 1992 Maastricht treaty and the Lisbon treaty of 2007." Tariff free customs union = free movement of goods - which the EU has said repeatedly will not come about without the other 3 principles being accepted as well, i.e. be a member of the EU. Labour simply trying to cherry pick.

Interesting article here about the customs union.

[Blueangel]

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	What they appear to be about to propose is possible although imo not very helpful as long as the UK is not part of the single market. Basically a Turkey solution.

I'm just waiting for the 10yr free trial membership of Amazon Prime solution to be proposed. They've tried everything else