The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	British nationals living in the EU are to lose their freedom of movement rights. Maybe they're considered expendable if many can no longer vote in the UK.

This is the whole premis people have been saying about being 'landlocked', but watch out for the progress of Schindler's Bill

	Quote:
	A 96-year-old war veteran is celebrating after his campaign to get the vote for all British expatriates moved a step closer to success. Harry Shindler, who lives in Italy, said he had cracked open a bottle of wine as MPs approved the second reading of a bill to remove the 15-year limit on UK expats voting in elections

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43172394

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	British nationals living in the EU are to lose their freedom of movement rights. Maybe they're considered expendable if many can no longer vote in the UK. Reality Check: What does the EU Brexit draft reveal?

All the information you need to apply for an Irish Passport from Switzerland

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Come one people. Did you really expect you'd be allowed to move freely from one EU country to another after Brexit? No, you'll probably have the right to stay in the EU country you're living in at the moment, but as for simply deciding Italy is a better place to be than France so I'm going to move - forget it.

[Blueangel]

Somebody's clearly not read the last 570 pages

[Medea Fleecestealer]

I gave up after page 412.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	All the information you need to apply for an Irish Passport from Switzerland

And you can even get the Irish identity card as well.

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Come one people. Did you really expect you'd be allowed to move freely from one EU country to another after Brexit? No, you'll probably have the right to stay in the EU country you're living in at the moment, but as for simply deciding Italy is a better place to be than France so I'm going to move - forget it.

Exactly, so many people blarting about this need to get a grip. Several things to remember:

1) This is only a draft bill
2) By already residing in Europe UK citizens are anyhow able to move around freely thanks to Schengen
3) There's an upcoming court case at the ECHR which could legally change the rights of UK citizens residing in the EU
4) Despite Free Movement of People, many EU countries still demand that you provide An employment contract and proof of health insurance if you want a residence permit

[Reb77Br]

John Major's astonishing Brexit speech attacking Theresa May in full

According to Jacob Rees-Mogg (ex Eton/Oxford), John Major (ex Brixton/insurance clerk) is a member of the "elite".

Jacob Rees-Mogg called John Major ‘the elite’ and these are the 9 responses you need

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Exactly, so many people blarting about this need to get a grip. Several things to remember: 1) This is only a draft bill 2) By already residing in Europe UK citizens are anyhow able to move around freely thanks to Schengen 3) There's an upcoming court case at the ECHR which could legally change the rights of UK citizens residing in the EU 4) Despite Free Movement of People, many EU countries still demand that you provide An employment contract and proof of health insurance if you want a residence permit

UK requires Health insurance for EU non Brits if your not receiving a state pension & don't work. A Brit who has worked all his life in CH will have to pay over 400chf a month Swiss health insurance to retire in the UK.

[aSwissInTheUS]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	2) By already residing in Europe UK citizens are anyhow able to move around freely thanks to Schengen

As a tourist for sure. But depending on the final agreement with the EU may be not if you intend to settle in an different EU country. Just like any other non EU-person, which cannot not freely settle somewhere else in the European area, unless they have an long-term EU residence permit. And even then some restriction might apply. Furthermore, a long-term EU residence permit does not allow one to freely settle in the whole Schengen area. The Schengen area and the area where Council Directive 2003/109/EC is in force are not the same.

	Quote:	aSwissInTheUS
	As a tourist for sure. But depending on the final agreement with the EU may be not if you intend to settle in an different EU country. Just like any other non EU-person, which cannot not freely settle somewhere else in the European area, unless they have an long-term EU residence permit. And even then some restriction might apply. Furthermore, a long-term EU residence permit does not allow one to freely settle in the whole Schengen area. The Schengen area and the area where Council Directive 2003/109/EC is in force are not the same.

I meant as a tourist. Regarding the rest, I have no idea how many, but would estimate that the number of UK citizens moving between EU27 countries to settle in a different EU country is fewer than 10,000 every year. Probably much less, and half of those most likely work for the EU anyway. In short, it's not a big deal.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	UK requires Health insurance for EU non Brits if your not receiving a state pension & don't work. A Brit who has worked all his life in CH will have to pay over 400chf a month Swiss health insurance to retire in the UK.

Couldn’t they just take out a policy with a UK insurer (Bupa, for instance?).

A quick shop around and the top notch policy for a 65 year old is under 2000 quid a year all in. You could easily skimp down on that and still get a decent cover.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Couldn’t they just take out a policy with a UK insurer (Bupa, for instance?). A quick shop around and the top notch policy for a 65 year old is under 2000 quid a year all in. You could easily skimp down on that and still get a decent cover.

No, because Switzerland is responsible for their health costs. (BUPA would be more expensive as premiums are age related, my BUPA exceeds £2400 with a £2000 excess aged 55, my 88 year old mother pays several times more & ALL pre existing conditions are excluded.). UK Government pays Odile's health insurance with a 300 CHF annual excess, yet she complains about her low UK pension.

For info Vitality health insurance is useless as zero cover outside the UK, my wife did not realise what a useless policy it was, sold to her by a financial advisor.

I have no EHIC card so my hospital bill in France was 5 times the cost than if I had had an EHIC card. No EHIC card means ZERO emergency cover in Europe so you would actually need an international policy, Swiss insurance is cheap for old people as there is no medical underwriting & premium not age related.

I might be able to take out Swiss insurance for myself & wife whilst living in Malta, it's better value than BUPA, not sure if I have to take Pillar 1 early or not, but as I can get a quote aged 55, I suspect I can.
If there is a HARD BREIT it may be a different story.

[marton]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Couldn’t they just take out a policy with a UK insurer (Bupa, for instance?). A quick shop around and the top notch policy for a 65 year old is under 2000 quid a year all in. You could easily skimp down on that and still get a decent cover.

Not really, there are a complex set of regulations about health insurance for retired EU and Swiss people in the EU.
Basically for a good cause that people with pre-existing conditions can get health cover without additional charges.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I meant as a tourist. Regarding the rest, I have no idea how many, but would estimate that the number of UK citizens moving between EU27 countries to settle in a different EU country is fewer than 10,000 every year. Probably much less, and half of those most likely work for the EU anyway. In short, it's not a big deal.

1.3 million people born in the UK live in other EU countries, according to 2017 estimates from the United Nations (UN).

Source

10,000?

	Quote:	marton
	1.3 million people born in the UK live in other EU countries, according to 2017 estimates from the United Nations (UN). Source 10,000?

Yes, now read what I wrote again, this time slowly and out loud.

I doubt your average qualified British expat professional is concerned with giving up the high life in Munich for a new challenge in Sofia. Likewise I doubt your average booze sodden red nosed expat pensioner is going to give up the Costa del Sol for Bratislava. Yes there will be some that move, but I’d be willing to bet that the vast majority are happy settled where they are.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yes, now read what I wrote again, this time slowly and out loud. I doubt your average qualified British expat professional is concerned with giving up the high life in Munich for a new challenge in Sofia. Likewise I doubt your average booze sodden red nosed expat pensioner is going to give up the Costa del Sol for Bratislava. Yes there will be some that move, but I’d be willing to bet that the vast majority are happy settled where they are.

I tried reading out loud; it is still an unbelievably small number

[StirB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I meant as a tourist. Regarding the rest, I have no idea how many, but would estimate that the number of UK citizens moving between EU27 countries to settle in a different EU country is fewer than 10,000 every year. Probably much less, and half of those most likely work for the EU anyway. In short, it's not a big deal.

How about the people who work on a contract somewhere, let's say Frankfurt for 6 months, then get a job back in the UK, and then want to work in Europe again. They wouldn't even be able to go back to Germany in that scenario. The lads from Auf Wiedersehen, Pet would be fcked!

	Quote:	StirB
	How about the people who work on a contract somewhere, let's say Frankfurt for 6 months, then get a job back in the UK, and then want to work in Europe again. They wouldn't even be able to go back to Germany in that scenario. The lads from Auf Wiedersehen, Pet would be fcked!

Them fellas were working off the books anyhow. I'm not saying people won't be affected, but I reckon the number that are is minimal.

[Blueangel]

Personally, I know over 20 ppl affected by this, and I'm not one of the millions who has frequently worked in Europe over the years. I reckon the actual number is a lot higher than that, and I'm personally affected.