The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

So you are staying then and giving up Malta (and F and CH)?

BTW- just in case you didn't not notice - London is not the UK

And even so- all my family works in London- in very senior positions - and they say the boom is very artificial at the mo- and anything could happen. Bonne chance.

And as you have said often- this is reflected in significant falling values in London property, and a real slow down in the property market for foreing investors.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	The problem for the EU is that when something happened that politicians (not only UK) felt they could not sell to their local constituency they simply said "the EU is forcing that on us".

I've never heard an Irish government minister making such a claim. On the other hand, there have been so many referenda and debates on the EU in Ireland that most people will pull them up on such a claim very quickly.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	London is booming, been there for 3 1/2 weeks, a huge amount of money being spent everywhere from Bond St to Brent Cross.

Not everyone can live in London.

And many definitely don't want to do so.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	So you are staying then and giving up Malta (and F and CH)? BTW- just in case you didn't not notice - London is not the UK And even so- all my family works in London- in very senior positions - and they say the boom is very artificial at the mo- and anything could happen. Bonne chance. And as you have said often- this is reflected in significant falling values in London property, and a real slow down in the property market for foreing investors.

Leaving for Malta today, no intention of living in the UK or giving up France. I have pretty much given up CH as I spent less than 5 nights in CH in either of the last 2 years.

London property is roughly 12 times earnings today, when I left in 1994 it was 2.5 times earnings. It needs to be nearer 4 times earnings so a 60% fall relative to earnings has to happen at some point. With low inflation & small wage increases, buyers in the last 10 years will feel pain. High-end property in London have had prices slashed 30% but still remain on the market. I have said London is overpriced for the last 3 years, looks like the newspapers have finally caught on.

	Quote:	pdofr
	Not everyone can live in London. And many definitely don't want to do so.

It's where the tax comes from to support the rest of the country, so it's what counts when looking at spending activity.

[amogles]

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	One very simple question- how many of you would be keen to go back to UK to work and live right now. Moi? Non merci.

If you had wanted to go back you would have gone back years ago.

In other words, nothing has changed?

LOL only been back (here) 9 years ...

we certainly did intend to go back to UK when no longer able to jump on a train, plane or car whenever we feel like it. But for us, things have changed- the country I left 9 years ago and where I lived 39 years, has changed in the last 2 years...for sure.

Only my grandchildren would make me go back now.

[kriss kross]

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	But for us, things have changed- the country I left 9 years ago and where I lived 39 years, has changed in the last 2 years...for sure.

Bloody immigrants

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	amogles
	nothing has changed?

Apparently the food has improved.

Tom

[marton]

Shipping groups boost Ireland-EU routes ahead of Brexit
Freight hauliers plan to bypass UK ports as concern grows about queues and red tape

CLdN, a Luxembourg-based shipping company, has introduced two “mega vessels” on new direct freight routes linking Dublin with the Belgian port of Zeebrugge and the Dutch port of Rotterdam.

Brittany Ferries will start a new service between Cork on Ireland’s southern coast and the Spanish port of Santander this month.

Irish Continental Group will boost freight capacity nearly 10-fold between Dublin and the French port of Cherbourg

Source

The time at sea will be longer but would offer more certainty over trucking schedules.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Shipping groups boost Ireland-EU routes ahead of Brexit Freight hauliers plan to bypass UK ports as concern grows about queues and red tape CLdN, a Luxembourg-based shipping company, has introduced two “mega vessels” on new direct freight routes linking Dublin with the Belgian port of Zeebrugge and the Dutch port of Rotterdam. Brittany Ferries will start a new service between Cork on Ireland’s southern coast and the Spanish port of Santander this month. Irish Continental Group will boost freight capacity nearly 10-fold between Dublin and the French port of Cherbourg Source The time at sea will be longer but would offer more certainty over trucking schedules.

You missed the power link with France and the Revenue Commissions first survey of customs posts on the NI border.

The Irish government is hoping for the best, while planning for the worst.

	Quote:	marton
	Brittany Ferries will start a new service between Cork on Ireland’s southern coast and the Spanish port of Santander this month.

I’d love to know how this has anything to do with Brexit.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I’d love to know how this has anything to do with Brexit.

Marton already said - they're looking to bypass the UK. I just had a look at the ship to be used and it is clearly freight focused.

	Quote:	marton
	Shipping groups boost Ireland-EU routes ahead of Brexit

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I’d love to know how this has anything to do with Brexit.

Me too since as far as I know they've always run a direct ferry service from Cork to Santandar.

http://www.brittanyferries.es/rutas-...santander-cork

Any idea how many passenger cars as opposed to trucks use it?

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Me too since as far as I know they've always run a direct ferry service from Cork to Santandar. http://www.brittanyferries.es/rutas-...santander-cork Any idea how many passenger cars as opposed to trucks use it?

According to the corporate site it was announced in January 2018 and is the first Ireland - Spain link
http://corporate.brittany-ferries.co...aspx?card=5920
Apparently the capacity is 91 trucks

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	Marton already said - they're looking to bypass the UK. I just had a look at the ship to be used and it is clearly freight focused.

It’s a passenger service. Freight is sent in containers.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Maybe for a dedicated freight only, but otherwise BS.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	It’s a passenger service. Freight is sent in containers.

http://www.brittanyferriesfreight.co...ries/connemara

Capacity 91 trucks.

I presume you have never travelled on a ferry then. They all have plenty of trucks on board. Pretty well all fresh products are shipped as trucks and not as containers for example. Your statement really shows your ignorance in this matter.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Me too since as far as I know they've always run a direct ferry service from Cork to Santandar. http://www.brittanyferries.es/rutas-...santander-cork Any idea how many passenger cars as opposed to trucks use it?

Me too. There has been talk here and there of discontinuing it but as far as I know, those threats were never acted on.

I guess ferry connections like that have increased in popularity somewhat for truck drivers following the mess that Calais has become.

Also, in view of the tolls and fuel costs, the ferry is probably a fair shade cheaper for trucks.

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	http://www.brittanyferriesfreight.co...ries/connemara Capacity 91 trucks. I presume you have never travelled on a ferry then. They all have plenty of trucks on board. Pretty well all fresh products are shipped as trucks and not as containers for example. Your statement really shows your ignorance in this matter.

One container ship from Rotterdam to Cork will bring more freight than a months worth of these ferry crossings.

[amogles]

	Quote:
	I presume you have never travelled on a ferry then. They all have plenty of trucks on board. Pretty well all fresh products are shipped as trucks and not as containers for example. .

Containers are more for long-distance shipping.

Trucks have the advantage that they are wider than containers. Within Europe, the Euro palette has become the standard unit of shipment for everything from fresh fruit to bulding materials. I think the Euro palette is something like 1m by 1.20, and as containers are defined by American sizes, you can't fit Euro palletes in very efficiently. Having just a slighty wider body means you can accomodate a complete extra row. That is why the container will never really catch on for shorter distances.