The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

For context: in 1992, I spent an afternoon walking round Bilston market wearing a sandwich board advertising a road show: "Health and Safety and the Maastricht Treaty: what it means for you!"

Anti-european-integration sentiment was well developed even then. It was especially marked in working class areas, where the unions and Labour party activists had had plenty to say on the subject ever since the Tories had dragged the country into the Common Market a couple of decades before.

Don't believe the bullshit. This cannot be blamed on Breitbart or Putin or a bloke called Nigel.

You've said it yourself- it was mainly the Daily Fail and the Sun ...

but with such a tiny and ridiculous majority (and even Farage agrees a 48/52 would mean big trouble ahead) - every little bit made a difference.

As you well know of course.

[fatmanfilms]

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	You've said it yourself- it was mainly the Daily Fail and the Sun ... but with such a tiny and ridiculous majority (and even Farage agrees a 48/52 would mean big trouble ahead) - every little bit made a difference. As you well know of course.

That majority is over 1,000,000 people, majorities in CH are often way less in percentage terms too.

[kriss kross]

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	You've said it yourself- it was mainly the Daily Fail and the Sun ....

I thought Brexiteers couldn't even read

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	I thought Brexiteers couldn't even read

Those newspapers work by osmosis. We ignorant, illiterate scum absorb the racism, the stupidity, and, oh! the sheer ghastliness just by sitting near the papers in the canteens of the grim, filthy factories in which we work. Or at the Jobcentre. Or down the pub.

Osmosis. Also, we're predisposed to be ghastly. We're scum, see. Ghastly scum.

[Blueangel]

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	So it wasn't anti-EEC/EC/EU sentiment going back decades that swung the vote. It was some obscure data harvesting company working with a news website nobody reads what did it. And the Russians. Let's not forget the Russians.

Huh? I'm purely countering FMF's point about Facebook / Cambridge Analytica to say that not everyone gave permission, and it was 'given' by unauthorised proxy in many cases. If you don't see that as a cause for concern, regardless of anything Brexit related, then you need your bumps feeling.

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	Anti-european-integration sentiment was well developed even then. It was especially marked in working class areas, where the unions and Labour party activists had had plenty to say on the subject ever since the Tories had dragged the country into the Common Market a couple of decades before.

As a former trade union representative, one of the greatest things the EU ever did for the workers was the introduction of the EU Working Time Directive. Before that, the majority of the cases I represented were of staff being bullied into longer than reasonable working hours. I'm talking about workers who'd already pulled a 12hr shift, which was 4hrs overtime on their normal shift, yet they were being bullied and threatened into 14 and 16hr shifts.

Facebook was set up precisely in order to harvest users' data. That's exactly what it was set up for.

The hysteria over all of this would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

[pilatus1]

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	And the Russians. Let's not forget the Russians.

How could we? It's been them all along....

How does this work?

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	Facebook was set up precisely in order to harvest users' data. That's exactly what it was set up for. The hysteria over all of this would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Exactly this. If anything on the internet is free then YOU are the product.

That applies to EF too.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yeah, I read that bit too, but it's bollocks. The problem is that anyone and everyone will jump on the Brexit bandwagon if it means a bit of publicity. Look at the data - there's container ships arriving from Rotterdam carrying 1000 containers plus 4x weekly. And that's not including the weekly arrivals of ships from Antwerp, Bremerhaven, Wallhamn and Esbjerg which all bypass the UK. I've not even gone into the ships arriving at other Irish ports. Whilst the peasants of Cantabria may get to enjoy some Irish potatoes, those 91 trucks (which btw that ship will never carry) are a mere piss in the ocean when compared to the amount of freight going through Cork harbour from the EU.

Do you think Cessna, Embraer and Bombardier have gone out of business due to the existence of jumbo jets and their even larger successors? That's the kind of line you're arguing on.

Ah well...
https://www.facebook.com/indrani.sig...2333078109147/

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	Ah well... https://www.facebook.com/indrani.sig...2333078109147/

I can't follow the link. It's on Facebook. It might turn me into a racist!

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The people had given permission, they just did not read the conditions they agreed to.

The Cambridge Analytica whistleblower, Christopher Wylie, estimates that Cambridge Analytica had harvested data from about 87 million Facebook users, prior estimates were of 50 million of which less than 250,000 had given permission for their data to be harvested.

Source

[Blueangel]

He was interviewed on The Andrew Marr Show this morning...

How does this work?

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Do you think Cessna, Embraer and Bombardier have gone out of business due to the existence of jumbo jets and their even larger successors? That's the kind of line you're arguing on.

It's really not the line I'm arguing.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	It's really not the line I'm arguing.

Both are comparing apples to oranges. So yes you do.

[Aeneas]

	Quote:	marton
	The Cambridge Analytica whistleblower, Christopher Wylie, estimates that Cambridge Analytica had harvested data from about 87 million Facebook users, prior estimates were of 50 million of which less than 250,000 had given permission for their data to be harvested.

Which actually is perfectly above board. You see, up until 2015, an app you allowed to harvest your data would also be allowed to harvest the data of all your friends too, unless they explicitly blocked this. This means, you didn't just get the private details of that 250k, but of all their friends - and if 200 unique friends was the average, you've already hit the 50m figure. And you would have clicked 'agree' to a PP or TOS agreement update to this effect.


TBH, I get the impression that Cambridge Analytica are being used as scapegoats by FB, to distract from the fact they've been playing loose and fast with people's data for years and for the unabashed self-promotion of the so-called whistle blower, who frankly strikes me as a bit of a bulls**t artist, from what I've read.


And yes, as others have said, when it's free, you're still paying a price. The number of people who believe that multi-billion dollar companies are just supplying these services out of the goodness of their hearts has led me to conclude that the human race is in desperate need of a cull.

[amogles]

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	Those newspapers work by osmosis. We ignorant, illiterate scum absorb the racism, the stupidity, and, oh! the sheer ghastliness just by sitting near the papers in the canteens of the grim, filthy factories in which we work. Or at the Jobcentre. Or down the pub. Osmosis. Also, we're predisposed to be ghastly. We're scum, see. Ghastly scum.

Please miss. I wasn't a racist before but Putin (or Nigel, same bloke innit?) made me a racist by distributing molecules of Daily Mail.

And it's cos we's racist that we hates Junker cos that Putin guy makes us think he's black.

[amogles]

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	So, couldn't be clearer- Farage saying Thank you for the help of Breitbart and Bannon: https://youtu.be/KlM7n8AtW_I

I thought you always said Farage lies all the time.

So you believe him now because ... ?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Not true. One of the main sticking points of the whole facebook data issue is that any one of your 'friends' could give permission for your data to be accessed. I never, ever click on an app that says I give permission to access my friends list, but any of my friends can, and probably do.

Most of the stuff on my facebook page is utter bollox. Some of my friends are bots. Why should I deny anybody friendship because they're not human? Bots have civil rights too.

Anybody who takes facebook seriously is part of the problem.

As far as I am concerned, anybody is welcome to look at my facebook trash. If Putin can use a couple of cute kittens and tasteless jokes to swing an election, good for him.