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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 11.04.2018, 19:02
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

How dare David Davis blame Sinn Fein for the Irish border mess

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We had a change of government, south of the border, and with quite a strong influence from Sinn Féin, and that had an impact in terms of the approach
Nope, no change in government in about seven years. Not alone that but both of the main political parties agree on the Irish approach to BREXIT.

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Well you had a change of leader or a change in taoiseach. They’ve [Sinn Féin] been playing a strong political role which they haven’t done historically, that I hadn’t foreseen
Here is the thing, in my days in Ireland, the Fine Gael party, the current government, used to be called 'West Brits', mean that they were the most pro UK party in the country. So the changes of a Sinn Fein voter every supporting Fine Gael and vice versa is absolutely zero!

With such a poor grasp of the facts and no doubt a lack of briefing, no one should be surprised that he makes such a crap negotiator!

Michael Collins, one of the Irish leaders negotiating the Anglo Irish Treaty in 1922, remarked at one point or another: How did they ever get an empire? It appears the question is still valid in the case of Mr. Davis.
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Perhaps the most dangerous and distructive aspect of Brexit, is that it ties us totally to Trump. Today of all days- this is becoming so clear and so so massively dangerous indeed.
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It only ties you to Trump if you decide to do that.
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Seems she has - that is the problem.
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Most of the stuff on my facebook page is utter bollox. Some of my friends are bots. Why should I deny anybody friendship because they're not human? Bots have civil rights too.

Anybody who takes facebook seriously is part of the problem.

As far as I am concerned, anybody is welcome to look at my facebook trash. If Putin can use a couple of cute kittens and tasteless jokes to swing an election, good for him.
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Theresa May has caved-in on the Phase 1 agreement, and on the EU's terms for the Transition Period. Now, there are rumours coming from Downing Street that she may be about to cave-in on the UK staying in the/a Customs Union with the EU after Brexit:

http://https://www.bloomberg.com/new...-be-next-to-go

There have already been signs that she is looking to keep the DUP on side by offering to have the UK follow Single Market rules on Goods, to keep the Irish Border open and avoid a Customs border in the Irish Sea. The most telling parts of the Bloomberg article above are these:

"Some of May’s officials think that quitting the customs union in order to win the power to strike free trade agreements with countries such as the U.S. or Australia is not as desirable as passionate Brexit supporters believe."

"Such trade deals with third countries can take a long time to negotiate and end up mired in litigation, while measures short of formal FTAs can still deliver significant benefits, one person said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the discussions are private.

Added to this, the growing view in May’s office is that, after a narrow referendum result and a close general election, she has no mandate for an extreme Brexit, according to an official."

"Brexit-backers inside May’s government think she could be ready to water down her promise to take Britain out of the single market and customs union, according to two people familiar with their thinking. The justification would be solving the Irish border issue."


What this could mean regarding FOM between the UK and CH, is unknown, if it happens of course.....
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So we get our Sovereignty back - by destroying our Parliamentary Democracy- and becoming Trump's poodles in a war that puts the UK at huge risk- and the world.

Great
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The OPCW team have arrived in Damascus to begin their investigation into the use of chemical weapons, so I'm inclined to hold my horses and see what the facts of the matter are. Just wish someone would hog tie and gag Trump until we have the info.
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So we get our Sovereignty back - by destroying our Parliamentary Democracy- and becoming Trump's poodles in a war that puts the UK at huge risk- and the world.

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You obviously never studied British history.
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Old 14.04.2018, 20:37
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Oh I did.

BTW :BBC Investigation finds the U.K. was the sole supplier to Syria of 3 important ingredients in the product of Sarin, a chemical weapon.
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If the EU was judged as a country it would rank 123rd in the world
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...rmance-economy
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Old 15.04.2018, 11:36
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So we get our Sovereignty back - by destroying our Parliamentary Democracy- and becoming Trump's poodles in a war that puts the UK at huge risk- and the world.

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Well given that TM just decided to go bomb Syria without consulting parliament, do you even have parliamentary democracy in the first place??? It is not as if recalling parliament is such a complex thing.
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If the EU was judged as a country it would rank 123rd in the world
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...rmance-economy
A completely bullshit statement. According to that, the EU is placed some 40 places below the lowest placed constituent EU country which is very clearly a nonsense. It looks very much like he has taken all of the worst individual rankings out of the constituent countries and combined them to produce his result. Prejudiced much?
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If the EU was judged as a country it would rank 123rd in the world
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...rmance-economy
Hilarious. Here's the full list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom

That evil socialist republic, France, is in 71st place , well below such "economically free" places as Albania and Azerbaijan.

Right up to standard for the Sunday Express.
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It's not Davis doing most of the negotiations - fortunately. Oliver Robbins is, and he is a pro-EU civil servant leading a negotiating team based in #10 Downing Street. Davis appears to have been sidelined, and reduced to being trotted out in Parliament or occasionally in Brussels when a new stage is reached.
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I don't think you'll ever see a 'cave in' per say. as it would be a political non starter. Most likely is that the UK will go into a transitional relationship with the EU where it de facto adopts something akin to the Norwegian model and essentially never leaves it, citing that conditions would not be right to leave completely until all negotiations are finished, yadda-yadda...

I would keep my eyes open to both sides softening on the finite nature of the present transition plan as a sign of this becoming more likely.
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If the EU was judged as a country it would rank 123rd in the world
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...rmance-economy
On the same measure (size of government -- yet another misleading Express (and FMF) headline), presumably Switzerland would rank right down near the bottom.
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The UK's biggest auto manufacturer -- Jaguar Land Rover -- is cutting 1,000 jobs in Birmingham as Brexit and slumping sales related to diesel emission concerns hit the quintessentially British brand.

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The Jaguar Land Rover factory is situated in an area that voted over 56% Leave.

Jaguar Land Rover is owned by India's Tata Motors.
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What's the measure for government size? And how does size say anything about range and quality of services rendered?
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The UK Government has lost a key Brexit vote, with the upper House of Parliament backing calls to remain in the EU customs union after Brexit.

The House of Lords voted 348 to 225 to amend the government's EU Withdrawal Bill, which will now return to the House of Commons where the defeat is likely to spur renewed opposition.

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