The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

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	Wouldn't it be fantastic if the English could seize this opportunity for a proper clearing of the decks, like the Turks did back in the twenties? Sweep away all this imperial bullshit, get rid of the monarchy and unelected upper house, let the Home Colonies go their own way, and start afresh - like a kind of Singapore of the Atlantic, but without the foul smelling fruit and corporal punishment. It will never happen. That saboteur at Number 10 is no Attaturk. But a man can dream, no?

No corporal punishment? How disappointing!

[pdofr]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Control over our laws, as only London & some of the south pays its way I am sure many higher rate tax payers would happily drop Ireland, Wales & Scotland.

In that respect London is a victim of its own long standing campaigns that "London is the only place to do business", and "London is the only place anyone would want to live, it's got the best theatre, art and music venues, etc.".

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	Speculation that May is preparing to concede on a customs union, which has been a red line since the prime minister’s conference speech in October 2016. Government hopes of avoiding a hard border in Ireland either through technological innovation or regulatory alignment have been set back after they were rejected during preliminary negotiations in Brussels. Source

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I suspect this story will come under the long list of Guardian "we'll just make up bollocks and print it anyway" Brexit stories.

Bollocks??

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	Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, has refused to rule out staying in the customs union after Brexit and suggested it was still a matter for Cabinet discussion.

Source

	Quote:	marton
	Bollocks?? Source

Yes, bollocks.

https://twitter.com/AmberRuddHR/stat...09243895271424

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Control over our laws, as only London & some of the south pays its way I am sure many higher rate tax payers would happily drop Ireland, Wales & Scotland.

Haha, now I know you are trolling. Scotland have been net contributors to the UK economy for about 35 years. As soon as oil prices drop a bit, toys come out of the pram and you want rid, after it has been propping up the UK for generations.

If Scotland don't vote for Indy when they get their chance again in a couple of years, they deserve their misery.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Haha, now I know you are trolling. Scotland have been net contributors to the UK economy for about 35 years. As soon as oil prices drop a bit, toys come out of the pram and you want rid, after it has been propping up the UK for generations. If Scotland don't vote for Indy when they get their chance again in a couple of years, they deserve their misery.

Oil will not be a good business going forward. If there is a referendum for Scotland to leave, hopefully, the whole of the UK can vote, then NS might win

[Jim2007]

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	why doesn't the United Kingdom take this wonderful opportunity to throw away the septic cyst that is Northern Ireland once and for all?

Because of the GFA, lodged at the UN. Only the people of NI can decide to leave. And to form a United Ireland, the people of Ireland would also have to agree. Your stuck with it!

[Blueangel]

And haven't the people of Ireland already said "No" once?

[Blueangel]

Weird little aside... I flew into Manchester via Dusseldorf last night, and everyone's passports were checked at the gate as we disembarked, then again at passport control. Has anyone else has encountered this?

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Weird little aside... I flew into Manchester via Dusseldorf last night, and everyone's passports were checked at the gate as we disembarked, then again at passport control. Has anyone else has encountered this?

Had similar* in the 80s flying into Frankfurt from Africa. They did the disembarkation check in a tunnel, with machine guns very much at the ready. Different times though.

* In my case passport control wasn't until I reached the UK on a connecting flight.

Nowadays probably looking for people switching passports to get around qualifying days in the country, given the new tax residency rules.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And haven't the people of Ireland already said "No" once?

Well the people of Ireland have said "No" on many occasions, so not sure which one you are referring to.

But in the case of the GFA, they voted 94% in favour of changing the constitution to accept the provisions of the GFA. And that included dropping article 2, which claimed the island of Ireland as the national territory.

So in that respect they are very much agreed on the process. Whether at the time they would accept an United Ireland is another thing. My own feeling is probably not.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The collapse of the economy was supposed to happen immediately after a leave vote. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said there would need to be an emergency budget immediately after the vote, that did not happen, unemployment fell & the economy has grown. Whats not to like?

As my teacher used to say, "this hurts me more than it will hurt you"

The UK’s growth rate has been diverging from those of the US and the EU over the past year as the global economy has picked up.

“The UK remains firmly in the slow lane of global growth ” said John Hawksworth of PwC.

The UK economy almost stalled in the first quarter of 2018 growing by just 0.1 per cent the weakest since 2012, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) reported on Friday.

This was down from the 0.4 per cent expansion registered in the final quarter of 2017 and well below the 0.3 per cent City of London analysts had expected.

ONS estimates that construction output, around 6 per cent of output, slumped by a massive 3.3 per cent.

Manufacturing output, around a tenth of the economy, eked out growth of 0.2 per cent, well down on the 1 per cent plus growth rates recorded by the sector in the second half of 2017.

Source

	Quote:	marton
	As my teacher used to say, "this hurts me more than it will hurt you" The UK’s growth rate has been diverging from those of the US and the EU over the past year as the global economy has picked up. “The UK remains firmly in the slow lane of global growth ” said John Hawksworth of PwC. The UK economy almost stalled in the first quarter of 2018 growing by just 0.1 per cent the weakest since 2012, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) reported on Friday. This was down from the 0.4 per cent expansion registered in the final quarter of 2017 and well below the 0.3 per cent City of London analysts had expected. ONS estimates that construction output, around 6 per cent of output, slumped by a massive 3.3 per cent. Manufacturing output, around a tenth of the economy, eked out growth of 0.2 per cent, well down on the 1 per cent plus growth rates recorded by the sector in the second half of 2017. Source

Same old same old...

https://www.englishforum.ch/2832450-post9551.html

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Same old same old... https://www.englishforum.ch/2832450-post9551.html

I know you do like this sort of thing

[st2lemans]

Tom

[marton]

Amber Rudd resigns as home secretary !!!!!

	Quote:	marton
	Amber Rudd resigns as home secretary !!!!!

I think May needs to resign after the whoppers she told in her assessment of Rudd's performance!

May added that Rudd had led her department with “great integrity, compassion and selflessness...”.

[BaselLife]

Hi

Hopefully as a backbencher can support the the Lord's amendments.

Stop brexit now

[Castro]

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	I think May needs to resign after the whoppers she told in her assessment of Rudd's performance! May added that Rudd had led her department with “great integrity, compassion and selflessness...”.

I think Rudd was the fall-guy for policies May enacted as Home Secretary. She really took one for the team because Windrush is symptomatic of Tory policy since way before she took up the brief.

I love the way Gove tried to throw off the huge failure of Tory immigration policies by defending Rudd and blaming Labour for using Windrush to distract from the anti-Semitism row. You couldn't make it up. Haven't you got that the wrong way around, Mr Gove?

Mrs. May is in for a rocky week. To smooth things over, Sajid Javid will be appointed, I reckon.