The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Reb77Br]

Farage has apparently changed his tune.

What he's saying now (LBC radio, 29 May 2018):

"I never promised that it would be a huge success ... I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and that everyone would be better off, just that we would be self-governing."

What he said then:

"We will be safer and better off outside EU"
"...a vision for a more prosperous UK outside of the EU"
"We would be better off out"

source

[marton]

I must admit I never thought about the impact of “rules of origin” and “local content” rules

The Dutch government has advised all Dutch businesses that if a “large part of your product consists of parts from the UK" domestic exporters may lose free trade access under existing deals.

"After Brexit, parts made in the UK no longer count towards minimum production in the European Union." This is usually more than half, at around 55 per cent.

This warning is also supported by the EU’s own technical notice on the issue.

It says: "As of withdrawal date, the UK becomes a third country. UK inputs are considered 'non-originating’.”

Source

I assume any future trade deals UK makes will also have such origin rules that may well exclude EU made parts from UK exports.

As an example I believe many of the engines and gearboxes used by Nissan Sundrland are built in the EU, mostly by Renault?

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	Problem is that the word steel covers a host of different products with different forms and alloys with different chemical characteristics so diversion is not always practical. Some steel products like tin plate and semi-finished products are not currently made in the USA. Also a lot of US steel is made from imported steel scrap which will likely also face tariffs?

Here is an example

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	Arkansas Online reports that three tire-cord manufacturers, Bekaert Corp., Kiswire America and Tokusen USA, have jointly requested an exemption from Trump's tariffs, specifically on "grade 1078 and above wire rod for tire cord." The three companies argue that U.S.-based steel producers are unable to manufacture the quality their company needs.

Source

[marton]

So the "Brexit backstop" as announced is to keep UK (inkl. N. Ireland) in the EU customs union and to continue to apply external EU trade tariffs until when?

Until hell freezes over!

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	Until hell freezes over!

Since the Brexit Roadshow in Zurich, the 'deadline' has been extended twice, and whilst Corbyn et al are twiddling their thumbs, public unrest with the whole situation, is growing according to all reports.

Caution to the wind...I'm predicting new Conservative and Labour leaders before Christmas, and a serious rethink on the entire situation in the run up to a May 2019 G.E. Yes...again!!!

[Brightlingsea]

There is no Brexit and will be no Brexit, it is all a show. If the UK are allowed to leave, others will too and then the EU ceases to be. THAT, can never happen. So they`ll do like what they did in Ireland. Vote again, and again, and again until they get the vote they want to have, REMAIN.


The UK is bound to the EU, to the bitter end.
So is Austria and so is Italy, so are all of them... the EU monster is too big and has even bigger plans that are long in motion.

EU Army
EU Police Force
EU Border patrol
and so on.


One big happy, stinking, infected patchwork family

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Brightlingsea
	There is no Brexit and will be no Brexit, it is all a show. If the UK are allowed to leave, others will too and then the EU ceases to be. THAT, can never happen. So they`ll do like what they did in Ireland. Vote again, and again, and again until they get the vote they want to have, REMAIN. The UK is bound to the EU, to the bitter end. So is Austria and so is Italy, so are all of them... the EU monster is too big and has even bigger plans that are long in motion. EU Army EU Police Force EU Border patrol and so on. One big happy, stinking, infected patchwork family

And this from someone who claims to be interested in history and politics, one can only assume it is history and politics as served up by the Daily Mail et al

[marton]

Russian fingers in Brexit

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	Arron Banks, a major funder of the Brexit campaign, met with the Russian Ambassador to the UK three times in the run up to the EU referendum, it has emerged. The millionaire co-founder of Leave.EU also made repeated contact with Russian officials and flew out to Moscow to discuss business opportunities, according to reports. Mr Banks has previously said his “sole involvement with the Russians was a boozy six-hour lunch with the ambassador”

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[Blueangel]

Arron Banks is a tosspot of great note, however, he will weasel his way out of any tight corner and onto his next "LOOK AT ME!!!" project. Complete egotist.

Back to the serious stuff....

I'm all geared up for what the next couple of days may hold for May & Co. If things get tricky, we might see May asking to borrow Bank's tub of weasel grease...

Robert Peston's view is interesting, though not completely in tune with what I would expect, but how can anyone 'expect' in the current climate. It's all guesswork...

https://www.facebook.com/14982767671...0715786586489/

[Brightlingsea]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And this from someone who claims to be interested in history and politics, one can only assume it is history and politics as served up by the Daily Mail et al

Mr Forum Legend, I shall pin this post of yours, and check back in with you in say, 5 years? That should be plenty of time Again, there is no Brexit, and will never be one. The UK has been, and will continue to, dance to the tune of the EU. If they say jump, the UK asks how high, and has nothing else to say on the matter. And then starts jumping.

[fatmanfilms]

French fund manager opens first office in London so they can trade with the UK after BREXIT regardless of outcome.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/fr...090853707.html

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Brightlingsea
	Mr Forum Legend, ...

Why raise that? It really confuses me when certain posters see this automated status system as an issue, and use it to try and belittle other members.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Why raise that? It really confuses me when certain posters see this automated status system as an issue, and use it to try and belittle other members.

It's an easy ad hominem the poster appears to think removes the obligation of providing substance or supporting evidence.

Lol@Arron Banks taking the p!ss out of the DCMS Committee at the moment.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...14094109839362

Good to see all the Lords amendments getting defeated yesterday.

[BaselLife]

Very sad to see the excellent Lord's amendments being defeated. However, there is some hope that the worst version of Brexit is dead the moronic idea of a no deal and that parliament will play a bigger role. Hopefully that this will lead to a second vote that will finally drive a stake through the rotting corpse of Brexit. I am sad that not enough most voted for the future but voted with leavers, history will judge them badly. Looking forward to the anti brexit March on the 23rd. The good guys can still win and stop the worthless and pointless Brexit.

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Good to see all the Lords amendments getting defeated yesterday.

	Quote:	BaselLife
	Very sad to see the excellent Lord's amendments being defeated...The good guys can still win and stop the worthless and pointless Brexit.

Wow. Such different viewpoints. As I'm not Brit and I haven't followed this very closely, what were the amendments proposing, and what would have been the result of them being passed?

Also how can the "good guys still win and stop Brexit"? I thought it was a done deal and the issue now is how to do it, not whether to do it.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Just wishful thinking on some people's part.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Wow. Such different viewpoints. As I'm not Brit and I haven't followed this very closely, what were the amendments proposing, and what would have been the result of them being passed? Also how can the "good guys still win and stop Brexit"? I thought it was a done deal and the issue now is how to do it, not whether to do it.

The Brexit which is being turned into mince at the moment is not the Brexit that anyone voted for or against or foresaw.

It's an absolute shameful mess in the UK at the moment and the government isn't fit to sort out a kids party, let alone Brexit (whatever Brexit is now). Interestingly the instigator of the current shit-show, Cameron, has gone to ground.

[BaselLife]

Hi,

here are the amendments that were voted on https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bi...ng-on-11401444

Brexit can always be stopped at any time until the UK has left the EU and even then they could use Article 49 to ensure a quick return to the being an EU member. The quitters like to paint it has irreversible but this is patently false like most of the leavers have said.

The opportunity that yesterday's compromise is that parliament could reject what ever deal the Government makes with the EU and call for a second referendum where staying in the EU coiuld be an option. If the people voted to stay in the EU then Brexit would be finally dead.

I wish more remainers had shown the courage yesterday to vote against the Government. If Brexit does occur I will campaign for a quick return to EU membership.

I am trying to stay optimistic and that the dark forces of Brexit will fail. I want to feel proud again of the UK and with Brexit that is not possible.

I want the UK to be a country with a prosperous future and one that enjoys the freedoms and rights that it currently enjoys.

The sooner a stake is put through the rotting corpse of Brexit the better.