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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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I don't know why you think a second referendum would give a different result, the opinion polls showed a landslide to remain last time.

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Hi,

here are the amendments that were voted on https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bi...ng-on-11401444

Brexit can always be stopped at any time until the UK has left the EU and even then they could use Article 49 to ensure a quick return to the being an EU member. The quitters like to paint it has irreversible but this is patently false like most of the leavers have said.

The opportunity that yesterday's compromise is that parliament could reject what ever deal the Government makes with the EU and call for a second referendum where staying in the EU coiuld be an option. If the people voted to stay in the EU then Brexit would be finally dead.

I wish more remainers had shown the courage yesterday to vote against the Government. If Brexit does occur I will campaign for a quick return to EU membership.

I am trying to stay optimistic and that the dark forces of Brexit will fail. I want to feel proud again of the UK and with Brexit that is not possible.

I want the UK to be a country with a prosperous future and one that enjoys the freedoms and rights that it currently enjoys.

The sooner a stake is putting through the rotting corpse of Brexit the better.
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I don't know why you think a second referendum would give a different result, the opinion polls showed a landslide to remain last time.
For the simple reason that people have the full story and implications this time.

Maybe the result would be the same but this time people would have the full picture of what they are voting for.
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Arron Banks is a tosspot of great note
Arron Banks: 'Can we wrap this up, I have a luncheon to attend'

Contempt is too weak a word
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In your dreams. In the same way, people can also vote for another Brexit in the future to finally get rid of this dinosaur we're shackled to.

This is a cop out - the vote was to leave whether we had a deal or not. Both parties have always said there won't be a second referendum yet now it's being touted. Proud of Britain, not with these idiots mucking about. We leave, end of story.
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Hi,

maybe I am being too optomistic. With the newspapers and the BBC pushing pro Brexit propoganda it will be difficult but hopefully there are enough people who have realised how good the current situation is and how bad it will be in the UK leaves. Maybe I am being a foolish optomist but the first advisory referendum was a bad idea. The quitters were saying that the UK would staying the single market and the customs union and it would only being temporary pain. No one is now saying there will be any long term gains. Also a lot of leavers are old and may well have died and the new voters are more likely to support remain.

Maybe despite everything that is going wrong people will support the end of the uk as a prosperous important country but at least this time it will be Crystal clear what they are voting for
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The sooner a stake is put through the rotting corpse of Brexit the better.
Hear, hear.
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Old 13.06.2018, 11:48
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In your dreams. In the same way, people can also vote for another Brexit in the future to finally get rid of this dinosaur we're shackled to.

This is a cop out - the vote was to leave whether we had a deal or not. Both parties have always said there won't be a second referendum yet now it's being touted. Proud of Britain, not with these idiots mucking about. We leave, end of story.
Farage was always pressing for a second referendum if Brexit lost.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...rendum-7985017

Also seems to want a second one
http://uk.businessinsider.com/nigel-...eu-2018-1?IR=T
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I don't know why you think a second referendum would give a different result, the opinion polls showed a landslide to remain last time.
No poll ever showed a landslide. The final polls were showing close to 50:50.
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Old 13.06.2018, 12:03
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In your dreams. In the same way, people can also vote for another Brexit in the future to finally get rid of this dinosaur we're shackled to.
But enough about the DUP.
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Old 13.06.2018, 12:53
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This shows the EU at it's silliest.

"A Conservative MEP from Norfolk has waded into a diplomatic row over the fate of a pregnant Bulgarian cow.

Penka is due to be put down after straying over the border into non-EU member state Serbia.

John Flack, who represents the East of England, has called on senior politicians to intervene and save her from imminent slaughter.

Bulgarian officials said strict EU importation rules meant the animal had to be destroyed.

Penka, which is set to calve in three months' time, wandered away from the herd near the village of Kopilovtsi, close to the Serbian border."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-b...herts-44341576
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I'm fully aware of the valid reasons for those rules and yes, most times they should apply. Not, however, to a cow wandering a few feet across an invisible border for a few minutes. Or is Serbia really that unhealthy a country for animals of all kinds? And what about her owner? Do they face a big fine for not fencing off the border so she couldn't wander?

There's this little thing called common sense which should be applied in this case.
And it seems the EU does have some common sense after all. She's been in quarantine and now has a clean bill of health.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-44441956

And Wetherspoon is to stop selling champagne and other drinks it gets from the EU in preparatiion for Brexit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44465657

Doing what the rest of the business world in the UK needs to be doing instead of moaning about all the problems they think they face over Brexit.
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Old 13.06.2018, 13:06
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And it seems the EU does have some common sense after all. She's been in quarantine and now has a clean bill of health.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-44441956

And Wetherspoon is to stop selling champagne and other drinks it gets from the EU in preparatiion for Brexit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44465657

Doing what the rest of the business world in the UK needs to be doing instead of moaning about all the problems they think they face over Brexit.
If they stop selling Stella, how will their patrons get pissed enough to go home and batter their wives effectively? Tragic.
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If they stop selling Stella, how will their patrons get pissed enough to go home and batter their wives effectively? Tragic.
Wetherspoons outrage...

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On a slightly less flippant note; isn't this getting a bit close to "cutting your nose off to spite your face" if businesses start adopting that attitude, though?

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Doing what the rest of the business world in the UK needs to be doing instead of moaning about all the problems they think they face over Brexit.

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Doing what the rest of the business world in the UK needs to be doing instead of moaning about all the problems they think they face over Brexit.
So you think the UK should begin to ignore the countries that account for near 50% of its exports?
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So you think the UK should begin to ignore the countries that account for near 50% of its exports?
No, it needs to look at what is already produced in the UK that can used as alternatives the same way Wetherspoon's is. See what other products could be made here and encourage companies to open factories, etc, to make them. More UK jobs for more UK residents. Win, win I call it. As they say, it's not rocket science.
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No, it needs to look at what is already produced in the UK that can used as alternatives the same way Wetherspoon's is. See what other products could be made here and encourage companies to open factories, etc, to make them. More UK jobs for more UK residents. Win, win I call it. As they say, it's not rocket science.
I don't think banging the champagne drum is going to be much of a convincing argument, though. Perhaps the UK should start with something it knows how to do?

Having said that, the fruit-picking industry is having problems already with recruitment and we've not even left the EU yet.

Fruit picking fits better with your "it's not rocket science" analogy and they can't even get that right.
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Plenty of British sparkling wines around and we all know they're made in exactly the same way as champagne. I bet in a blind tasting most people can't even tell the difference.

As for fruit picking you have to ask why now, before Brexit has even happened? The rules are the still the same. Are people from Europe who've done this year on year turning around and saying no this season? Sounds like more scaremongering to me.
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I don't know why you think a second referendum would give a different result, the opinion polls showed a landslide to remain last time.
Having endured EU sceptics' moanings for the last 40+yrs, you'd better buckle your seat belt and expect the same from the 48% of us who feel very strongly about the debarcle we've been thrust into.

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Plenty of British sparkling wines around and we all know they're made in exactly the same way as champagne. I bet in a blind tasting most people can't even tell the difference.
Completely agree but the UK can't compete for the mass market. Much of the sparkling wine market is niche and artisan stuff which costs the earth and wouldn't cover the supermarket, wine-bar, Wetherspoon demand by a country mile.

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As for fruit picking you have to ask why now, before Brexit has even happened? The rules are the still the same. Are people from Europe who've done this year on year turning around and saying no this season? Sounds like more scaremongering to me.
A recent report on TV interviewed people in Romania and their attitude was firstly that the money in the UK is now relatively crap, the sentiment against Eastern Europeans is worse now that Brexit is on the horizon and what's the point anyway. The fact is there is a shortage of fruit pickers and UK yoof isn't interested.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...epting-anyone/
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...r-data-reveals

But, hey, more UK jobs for more UK residents and all that jazz...
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No, it needs to look at what is already produced in the UK that can used as alternatives the same way Wetherspoon's is. See what other products could be made here and encourage companies to open factories, etc, to make them. More UK jobs for more UK residents. Win, win I call it. As they say, it's not rocket science.
UK wine production 4.15 million bottles (2016)
UK wine consumption 2,030 million bottles (2016)

Going to have to go some to make up that difference. Of course shifting land to wine production might also have an impact on the 40% of its food needs the UK HAS to import.
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UK wine production 4.15 million bottles (2016)
UK wine consumption 2,030 million bottles (2016)

Going to have to go some to make up that difference. Of course shifting land to wine production might also have an impact on the 40% of its food needs the UK HAS to import.
Not to mention that the UK isn't even allowed to make Champagne.
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