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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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UK wine production 4.15 million bottles (2016)
UK wine consumption 2,030 million bottles (2016)

Going to have to go some to make up that difference. Of course shifting land to wine production might also have an impact on the 40% of its food needs the UK HAS to import.



Moonshine will be a thing again, in Britain.
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I don't think people will settle for 5% if they can get 45%.


We're not talking about artisan brewing. It's going to be the most bang for the buck - or nothing.
Just look at the hordes flogging to the cities on weekends.


Do you see many gourmet beer-tasters in that crowd?
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For the simple reason that people have the full story and implications this time.

Maybe the result would be the same but this time people would have the full picture of what they are voting for.
But would they really? No deals have been struck yet so it's hard to know what a leave vote means today, any more than people knew exactly what a leave vote meant back then. Oder?
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But would they really? No deals have been struck yet so it's hard to know what a leave vote means today, any more than people knew exactly what a leave vote meant back then. Oder?
Obviously nobody would know for sure but my sentiment was that there is a lot more useful, truthful and stark facts around post-referendum than there was before it.

A lot of the Leave campaign was mind-bending fantasy, and the Remain campaign was frankly useless.

Like I said, maybe the result would be the same a second time around but given that people are armed with a lot more information than before, who knows?

There seems to be a lot of "buyers' remorse" around those that voted to Leave, and it would be interesting to see how it would pan out.
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A second referendum might seem a good idea to Remainers but it could just be a rerun of the first with people being misled about whichever options are on the table.
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Are people from Europe who've done this year on year turning around and saying no this season? Sounds like more scaremongering to me.
Why would you go to a place where you are not wanted to earn crap wages, when you have other options.
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Not to mention that the UK isn't even allowed to make Champagne.
Going back to my childhood when people used to try and fob us off with this stuff...



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In other news, with the SNP following their leader out of the Commons, and 6 Labour front benchers resigning over the EEA membership vote, it's all going swlmmingly. Better still, it's all going back to the Lords next week. Deep, shambolic joy...

On a more serious note, Adam and Eyal are turning out to be a right couple of snakes in Love Island

Light and shade people... Light and shade...
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UK wine production 4.15 million bottles (2016)
UK wine consumption 2,030 million bottles (2016)
2,030 / 365:

5.56 million bottles a day.
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2,030 / 365:

5.56 million bottles a day.
5.56 / 65.64:

0.085 bottles per person per day.

Sounds eminently reasonable, if not meagre, to me.
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Jacob Rees-Mogg firm issues Brexit warning:
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During, and possibly after, this period there is likely to be considerable uncertainty as to the position of the UK and the arrangements which will apply to its relationships with the EU.

As [the firm is] based in the UK and a fund’s investments may be located in the UK or the EU, a fund may as a result be affected by the events described above.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...acob-rees-mogg
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All you Remainers should be rejoicing as it looks like the UK is heading for the softest of soft Brexits. The useless PM and her useless party have well and truly managed to screw this up. Everything from that crap election campaign to party infighting has done nothing but weaken the UK's negotiating position.

The lack of preparation for no deal is visible to all so there is no incentive for EU to take any walking away threats seriously. A stronger leader would have started from Day 1 and reiterated the threat to walk away and turn the UK in to a low tax, low regulation competitive economy just off the coast of mainland Europe.

I guess the only positive thing to take is that the UK is still leaving the EU, and May will be gone before the end of next year. After she's out perhaps a proper Brexiteer can take charge and do the preparations May should have done two years ago and then go back to the negotiating table with the EU.
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Ryanair is to open a new hub in Southend, so much for companies leaving the UK.
https://news.sky.com/story/ryanair-t...rport-11403624
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Ryanair is to open a new hub in Southend, so much for companies leaving the UK.
https://news.sky.com/story/ryanair-t...rport-11403624
After closing their Glasgow one. Another great win for regional Britain (who incidentally voted overwhelmingly against Brexit).
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Lol@Arron Banks taking the p!ss out of the DCMS Committee at the moment.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...14094109839362
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Arron Banks says Brexit is exhausting and may leave politics.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...xit-is-tedious
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Arron Banks says Brexit is exhausting and may leave politics.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...xit-is-tedious
Lol@Arron Banks' lawyers threatening to sue Guy Verhofstadt unless he withdraws comments he made on Russian collusion.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1J92XU
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Frfom Loz's link...

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“Anyone reading the tweet would be left in no doubt that it defames our client,” Mishcon de Reya said in the letter to Verhofstadt. “Please now delete the tweet and tweet a retraction.”


Banks said Verhofstadt’s remark was “an outrageous statement”.


What an effin snowflake! Mr Banks being a self obsessed tosspot for the umpteenth time this week. Time to slither back under your stone Mr Banks. Your time has passed.
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All you Remainers should be rejoicing as it looks like the UK is heading for the softest of soft Brexits. The useless PM and her useless party have well and truly managed to screw this up. Everything from that crap election campaign to party infighting has done nothing but weaken the UK's negotiating position.
Ok, I'm lost. I thought a soft Brexit was one where the UK was able to keep virtually everything as-is, but dump the free movement. Cake and eat it, so to speak.

I thought a hard Brexit was where no deal could be reached and the baby goes out with the bath water...
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Ok, I'm lost. I thought a soft Brexit was one where the UK was able to keep virtually everything as-is, but dump the free movement. Cake and eat it, so to speak.

I thought a hard Brexit was where no deal could be reached and the baby goes out with the bath water...
Soft Brexit is basically remaining in the EU in everything but name. Actually remaining in the EU is preferential to this outcome.
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