The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	See there seems to be a rush of Brits getting other EU nationalities. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44629193 For those who got German I wonder what will happen when the UK becomes non-EU? Will those people be expected to have to give up their UK citizenship and, if so, presumably that would then mean they wouldn't have the right to live and work in the UK?

Now shall we call them refugees or economic migrants?

[greenmount]

Troll boy, they are as economic migrants as some of the refugees on your agenda.
Are the British people who voted for Brexit alt-right? Half of the electorate is "alt-right"?
Now admit defeat, EU is history because your people wanted it. And all of you here on this thread vociferated some time ago that the Brits have all the rights to express their political views. There, you have it. No more economic migrants, no more EU, no more nothing. The choice of the British people. Take it.

[baboon]

	Quote:	StirB
	I'd be shocked if they pursued that line of policy. There's a lot of dual citizens, non EU, who would be pretty miffed if the UK decided to disallow it based on something that had nothing to do with their second nationality.

She's talking about the German end. Germany only allows naturalised citizens to retain their second citizenship if it is EU or Swiss.

It's almost impossible to loose UK citizenship.

[lewton]

The UK will provide an excellent pool of white educated migrants in the decades to come.
We will let them in when we need them, close the door when the EU economy is in recession, etc.

[Jim2007]

Preparing for the hard BREXIT:



So apparently Ireland exports about 190,000 containers a year to mainland Europe via the UK. The new MV Celine operating on the Dublin-Zeebrugge route has four sailings from Dublin a week. With the quoted 650 containers per sailing and assuming 45 operational weeks per year, this route addition alone can take 120,000 containers. That's the equivalent of 60% of the estimated 190,000 that currently goes to Europe via the UK land-bridge. Throw in the hinted-at extra capacity on the other direct routes to France and Spain and that should about cover it. It'll take longer to get goods to the continent mainland, but they'll reliably get there.

It would appear that Compagnie Luxembourgeoise d’Navigation investment is about to pay very well...

[Dougal's Breakfast]

	Quote:	lewton
	white ... migrants

I love it when EUphiles reveal their true interests like that.

Why have darkies and muslins when you can have good, Christian white folks to work in your factories?

But, of course, it's the Brexit voters who are racist...

[greenmount]

	Quote:	lewton
	The UK will provide an excellent pool of white educated migrants in the decades to come. We will let them in when we need them, close the door when the EU economy is in recession, etc.

With an accent on white, as apparently most of the citizens with roots in some of the Commonwealth states voted for "Leave".

[Dougal's Breakfast]

	Quote:	greenmount
	With an accent on white, as apparently most of the citizens with roots in some of the Commonwealth states voted for "Leave".

Indeed. British membership of the EU (with all that implied) was an ongoing slap in the face to our fellow citizens from the Commonwealth and their relatives back home.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	Indeed. British membership of the EU (with all that implied) was an ongoing slap in the face to our fellow citizens from the Commonwealth and their relatives back home.

I know. Well, now they have what they hoped for, I think it's fair.


Any more Brexit deniers, fear mongers ? No, UK will not collapse.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Troll boy, they are as economic migrants as some of the refugees on your agenda. Are the British people who voted for Brexit alt-right? Half of the electorate is "alt-right"? Now admit defeat, EU is history because your people wanted it. And all of you here on this thread vociferated some time ago that the Brits have all the rights to express their political views. There, you have it. No more economic migrants, no more EU, no more nothing. The choice of the British people. Take it.

Na mate, it was a fraudulent referendum and 52% of 72% of the vote is not representative of the British people. The EU is not dead either.

I wasn’t trolling just adding some humor to the debate, but seems someone’s had a humor bypass. Thought I was on your ignore list?

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	I love it when EUphiles reveal their true interests like that. Why have darkies and muslins when you can have good, Christian white folks to work in your factories? But, of course, it's the Brexit voters who are racist...

I think his point DB was that’s it’s going to be the white middle classes applying and getting citizenship in European countries. Not sure if Bangladeshi Brits or the Windrush generation descendants will get the same ease of access to Europe or in applying to change nationality as perhaps white folk with Germanic roots.

Brexiteers are not all racist, but they are mostly nationalist and do have a nostalgia for an imaginary vision of how they feel Britain should be and how it should be perceived by Europe.

[kriss kross]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Now shall we call them refugees or economic migrants?

They're not brown enough for you to pretend to give a shit about them anyway so it doesn't much matter.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	Indeed. British membership of the EU (with all that implied) was an ongoing slap in the face to our fellow citizens from the Commonwealth and their relatives back home.

What like the way Britain has just treated those very Commonwealth immigrants who helped rebuild postwar Britain. Just because Britain is in the EU, the EU is not obliged to give special favours to Commonwealth countries. In fact it’s trading through Britain that opens the doors for the Commonwealth in the EU and post Brexit that trade will also need to readdressed. Unless those Commonwealth countries have their own special deals with EU already in place.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	kriss kross
	They're not brown enough for you to pretend to give a shit about them anyway so it doesn't much matter.

lol.

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Na mate, it was a fraudulent referendum and 52% of 72% of the vote is not representative of the British people.

Can you elaborate on that, please? What was fraudulent about the vote itself? Forget about the claims either side made - you're saying the actual ballot process was fraudulent/rigged?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Can you elaborate on that, please? What was fraudulent about the vote itself? Forget about the claims either side made - you're saying the actual ballot process was fraudulent/rigged?

Nah, he's dreaming. Lots of "pure blood" natives voted for it for a lot of reasons other than being "alt-right", and also it is well known that the South Asian community is made up of fervent Brexiteers. If you doubt me, here's an interesting read

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/1...te-for-brexit/

It's hard to accept the reality, that's all. UK is not yet a banana republic where voting is only a charade or whatever.

[Chuff]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Na mate, it was a fraudulent referendum and 52% of 72% of the vote is not representative of the British people.

It's always hilarious to see people who don't understand the basic principles of a democratic vote.

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Chuff
	It's always hilarious to see people who don't understand the basic principles of a democratic vote.

It's not hilarious.. It's scary. People might be swayed one way or another by propaganda on either side, but I firmly believe those in the UK cast their ballots in the way they wanted at that moment. No one forced them to vote a certain way. The officials in charge didn't hide ballots or magically change the count.

When one starts to allege the process is fraudulent that's something I take issue with.

[parnell]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	It's not hilarious.. It's scary. People might be swayed one way or another by propaganda on either side, but I firmly believe those in the UK cast their ballots in the way they wanted at that moment. No one forced them to vote a certain way. The officials in charge didn't hide ballots or magically change the count. When one starts to allege the process is fraudulent that's something I take issue with.

Agree completely - there have been several referenda (Greece and Ireland) where people voted a certain way but were either invited to vote again or had their vote ignored.

The more socialist the country the more it seems inclined to believe that it knows better than its own citzenry the course forward (usually by acting against the interests of their citzens)

The above phenomenon is IMO exactly why the Europe is in so much trouble recently.

[StirB]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	It's not hilarious.. It's scary. People might be swayed one way or another by propaganda on either side, but I firmly believe those in the UK cast their ballots in the way they wanted at that moment. No one forced them to vote a certain way. The officials in charge didn't hide ballots or magically change the count. When one starts to allege the process is fraudulent that's something I take issue with.

I suppose given the revelations about the money siphoning and huge overspend of the Leave campaign, "fraudulent" probably isn't as ridiculous a term as some of you on here are making out. That's before we even get into the headline lies the Leave campaign used.