The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[parnell]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I don't believe for one moment that May & Co have a sodding clue what's going on, what their 'plan' is, what will be in the white paper, and what the outcome will be. It's all utterly pathetic.

Don't worry

How does this work?

[Blueangel]

...which has absolutely zero to do with my post, or Brexit for that matter.

	Quote:	parnell
	Don't worry How does this work?

Don't worry. Whataboutery will save the Brexit farce.

[parnell]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	...which has absolutely zero to do with my post, or Brexit for that matter.

And there I was thinking your post was about competence in government... perhaps you meant something completely different ??

[Blueangel]

You're being deliberately obtuse...again! I expect the same from you as I do from Diane Abbott...nothing!

[lewton]

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	It's all utterly deliberate. Why did anyone expect any better from that shower of dissembling Establishment puppets?

And what are the real Brexiteers doing?
They won the vote, what are they doing now other than applying for foreign citizenship and making plans to benefit from the mess?

	Quote:	parnell
	And there I was thinking your post was about competence in government... perhaps you meant something completely different ??

Is Diane Abbott in the government now?

[parnell]

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	Is Diane Abbott in the government now?

Of course not - she is the UK's Shadow Home Secretary - which explains why the Labour party were absolutely unelectable at the last election.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	lewton
	And what are the real Brexiteers doing?

Refusing business deals from Russia, allegedly

2 hours ago.

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	Brexit’s biggest campaign donor 'investigated by National Crime Agency over links to Russia'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8425321.html

	Quote:	lewton
	And what are the real Brexiteers doing?

I don't believe there are any. At least none that are allowed anywhere near the steering wheel.

The whole thing is a sham. Pure theatre. Potemkin democracy.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Can you elaborate on that, please? What was fraudulent about the vote itself? Forget about the claims either side made - you're saying the actual ballot process was fraudulent/rigged?

I said fraudulent referendum. Meaning the public were sold misconceptions of the EU and what it does and Britain's place in the EU. Anyway the people have spoken. And they wanted the mystery box...

	Quote:	greenmount
	With an accent on white, as apparently most of the citizens with roots in some of the Commonwealth states voted for "Leave".

No they didn't. As I posted a week ago:

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	Ethnicity was crucial in some places, with ethnic minority areas generally more likely to back Remain.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38762034

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	I don't believe there are any. At least none that are allowed anywhere near the steering wheel. The whole thing is a sham. Pure theatre. Potemkin democracy.

Tell me, what are you going to say in 9 months when Brexit actually happens?

And yes, I will bet on that....

[bowlie]

Without doubt Brexit will happen. But with no agreements with the EU and third countries. An unmitigated disaster.

Who wins? Nobody. Who loses? Everybody.

[MusicChick]

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	Tell me, what are you going to say in 9 months when Brexit actually happens? And yes, I will bet on that....

Whatever happens happens. I am more worried about countries who remain. It is going to be ultra hard for all, but not as hard for those who directly separate or who put their foot down for at least a bit of autonomy. I am bugged by a an ugly feeling I got that the autonomy is only illusive. EU is a moloch.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Castro
	You can scoff all you like, but I have already seen major Pharma investments in the UK shelved or diverted to countries like the Netherlands (the new seat of the European Medicines Agency following London).

My brother works in the UK Pharma sector and the last year has been pretty bloody bleak.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	Whatever happens happens. I am more worried about countries who remain. It is going to be ultra hard for all, but not as hard for those who directly separate or who put their foot down for at least a bit of autonomy. I am bugged by a an ugly feeling I got that the autonomy is only illusive. EU is a moloch.

Total nonsense and at this stage there is no excuse for not knowing how the EU actually works other than deliberate ignorance. Don’t worry about those about those who remain because unlike you they know how the game is played. Now go come back with actually facts based on EU treaties and case law rather than repeating what you hear from the talking heads.

[marton]

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	Tell me, what are you going to say in 9 months when Brexit actually happens? And yes, I will bet on that....

I tend to agree Brexit will happen because nobody feels empowered to step forward and stop it.

The UK Cabinet are unable to agree on a single Brexit strategy & even have public fights so cannot make a deal with the EU.
Discussions with third countries seem to be making little progress and none of them want to give the UK so good a trade deal as they made with the EU. As an example, (our friends !) US, Australia, New Zealand & others all objected to the terms of the UK's proposal to join the WTO.

It is turning into a slow motion train crash

[marton]

Jaguar Land Rover said Thursday that if the United Kingdom leaves the European Union without maintaining a smooth trading relationship with the bloc, it would wipe out more than £1.2 billion ($1.6 billion) of the company's profit a year.

The company plans to spend £80 billion ($106 billion) in the country over the next five years but cautioned that "this would be in jeopardy should we be faced with the wrong outcome."

Source

Reality dawns!!

[bowlie]

So the Cabinet is going to discuss yet another option for customs. I wish them luck with that.

I heard an interview with some guy from Nissan recently. The Auto Production business is JIT, just in time. He says that if the trucks/lorries are delayed at the ports by an average of 75 seconds it will add two weeks to their business chain. They will need warehouses to store all of this stuff. And each and every imported part that will be exported again as part of a complete car will have to be tracked from port to port. Everything from engines to individual screws.