The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

May must be relieved England beat Sweden, less focus on her government's on-going dramas.

It is clear now no one can deliver Brexit, it isn't going to happen.. surely it is better now to be inside reforming the EU than to have one foot in the door with no say.

It is also becoming obvious the EU is looking fragmented and troubled.

[greenmount]

An UK that has real issues against some nationalities within EU, willing to reform the EU, what a nightmare. I hope they get what they want and bye-bye. I think that slammer guy, who always asked what the hell does UK have in common with barbarians from the east, has a point there. I didn't take it very lightly at the time, but I discovered I also don't have anything in common with certain people. I don't want to.
Those who think conservatives shouldn't be allowed to speak up are very very wrong. It's good to know. Everything.

David Davis gone, time has to be up for Theresa May now surely. Was clear really, this “deal” that was brokered on Friday will either mean remaining in the EU in all but name as the EU won’t accept it as it is (nor will Tory Brexiteers), or leaving without a deal at all.

Question now, how long will it be before Boris resigns and launches a coup?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Question now, how long will it be before Boris resigns and launches a coup?

Oh Boris will do a lot of spluttering but that is all. Why launch a coup to become the leader that has to bring back the bad news? Dumb idea, he I doubt he is that dumb.

[MusicChick]

We just performed in the Royal Albert Hall in London. Nobody who took care of us in services (shops, staff at hotels, the theater itself, museums, restos, transport) was English. 90% of the people were Polish. How is this city going to survive if the EU work permits get reduced....I cannot imagine the logistics, really. The transition itself. I talked to a fellow local singer in the symphony, she said nobody knows how to proceed anymore, what to prepare for. But companies got tired of waiting for the gov to make practical steps and are already redirecting from old contracts. There doesn't seem to be the problem with Brexit itself but the gov dragging its feet. Looks like even remainers would prefer hard and fast Brexit to the current limbo?

[bowlie]

	Quote:	greenmount
	An UK that has real issues against some nationalities within EU, willing to reform the EU, what a nightmare. I hope they get what they want and bye-bye. I think that slammer guy, who always asked what the hell does UK have in common with barbarians from the east, has a point there. I didn't take it very lightly at the time, but I discovered I also don't have anything in common with certain people. I don't want to. Those who think conservatives shouldn't be allowed to speak up are very very wrong. It's good to know. Everything.

Before I retired I spent a lot of my time in Brussels dealing with the eurocrates in the Commission, the Council and the Parliament. From the start our local reps advised me not to waste my time with any of the British*. “They have no interest in the work of the EU, only in sabotaging it. Their elected representatives were from the fringe U.K. parties while the political appointees had no direction from Westminster.” One old Brussels hand said it was a pity as some of the second tier countries (Benelux, Northern countries, Italy, Portugal) were desperately seeking the U.K. to get their sh*t together and to counter the France/Germany mafia. (*There were two exceptions)

They could have done it, but the will certainly wasn’t there.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	David Davis gone, time has to be up for Theresa May now surely. Was clear really, this “deal” that was brokered on Friday will either mean remaining in the EU in all but name as the EU won’t accept it as it is (nor will Tory Brexiteers), or leaving without a deal at all. Question now, how long will it be before Boris resigns and launches a coup?

David Davis was for a long time Brexit secretary in name only regarding EU negotiations so from a work viewpoint he was no longer needed. He also failed to drive forward the many associated important activities like a new "Open Skies" agreement.

Here's the resignation letter in full:

[NotAllThere]

A competent, strong government could have delivered Brexit. Shame that the UK doesn't have one.

	Quote:	MusicChick
	Looks like even remainers would prefer hard and fast Brexit to the current limbo?

No, no, no and very much no. If we are going to end up with no deal, as the current incompetence suggests, I'd rather cling on to my EU status for as long as possible.

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	A competent, strong government could have delivered Brexit. Shame that the UK doesn't have one.

I'm not even sure of this, it's a poor idea, badly executed, as we've seen numerous times over the preceding months.

Nobody knew what they were voting for, so even a strong government wouldn't really have had a clear mandate (soft, hard, no deal, customs union, etc).

The question was ill thought out, by a PM scared of UKIP, who never thought Leave would win, and hadn't prepared ANYTHING for that eventuality.

It's an omnishambles. I hope all of you on here can get an Irish passport (if you haven't got Swiss already!).

	Quote:	marton
	David Davis was for a long time Brexit secretary in name only regarding EU negotiations so from a work viewpoint he was no longer needed. He also failed to drive forward the many associated important activities like a new "Open Skies" agreement.

I think you've missed the point as to why he's gone. The Chequers "deal" will unlikely be accepted by the EU, but more to the point, the government are trying to deliver a Brexit that no one who voted Leave wanted.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Here's the resignation letter in full:

Leaves the impression of a rather weak man who disagreed multiple times with policy but went along anyway?

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I think you've missed the point as to why he's gone. The Chequers "deal" will unlikely be accepted by the EU, but more to the point, the government are trying to deliver a Brexit that no one who voted Leave wanted.

Seems you are the only person in the world who knows what the people who voted Leave actually wanted

Congratulations

The reality is that Leave was so poorly defined that whatever deal the Govt. offered a lot of leavers would be unhappy because they all had their own individual interpretations.

As said yesterday, Brexit is undeliverable.. rats, sinking ship.

Davis is off to get as far away from what is practically and politically impossible.

If a hard Brexit was possible, May would be doing it. No matter who takes over from her, it will remain undeliverable.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I think you've missed the point as to why he's gone. The Chequers "deal" will unlikely be accepted by the EU, but more to the point, the government are trying to deliver a Brexit that no one who voted Leave wanted.

Nobody knows what the people wanted, because when given an opportunity to give the government a mandate to carryout the opinion they expressed in the referendum, they failed to do so. Furthermore they failed to give the mandate for a Labour style BREXIT. So there is nothing there to support any kind of BREXIT beyond stating that there is some kind of a vague idea that they'd like to leave.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	...but more to the point, the government are trying to deliver a Brexit that no one who voted Leave wanted.

Just out of interest, which of the Leave campaigns did you support or agree with?

Vote Leave
Leave.EU
Grassroots Out
Labour Leave
Left Leave
Trade Union and Socialist Coalition
Green Leaves
Liberal Leave

[lewton]

Same question.

	Quote:	lewton
	Is May still PM?

What is JRM and his friends doing?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Just out of interest, which of the Leave campaigns did you support or agree with? Vote Leave Leave.EU Grassroots Out Labour Leave Left Leave Trade Union and Socialist Coalition Green Leaves Liberal Leave

Leave and Let Die

	Quote:	marton
	Seems you are the only person in the world who knows what the people who voted Leave actually wanted Congratulations The reality is that Leave was so poorly defined that whatever deal the Govt. offered a lot of leavers would be unhappy because they all had their own individual interpretations.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Nobody knows what the people wanted, because when given an opportunity to give the government a mandate to carryout the opinion they expressed in the referendum, they failed to do so. Furthermore they failed to give the mandate for a Labour style BREXIT. So there is nothing there to support any kind of BREXIT beyond stating that there is some kind of a vague idea that they'd like to leave.

This is the biggest Remain bullshit argument going, that "people didn't know what they were voting for". Every single poll conducted and every single leaver ever has always been consistent in that the prime reasons for voting leave was to regain sovereignty and to control immigration. Every. Single. One.

What's worse, is that this argument is now being put forward to ensure the softest of soft Brexits. Well it won't work. What May's proposed deal means is that the main issue of sovereignty has simply been ignored, whilst the EU will insist that acceptance of FMOP is mandatory in order for it to be accepted. This will be unacceptable and will ensure the the deal fails.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Just out of interest, which of the Leave campaigns did you support or agree with? Vote Leave Leave.EU Grassroots Out Labour Leave Left Leave Trade Union and Socialist Coalition Green Leaves Liberal Leave

None.