The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

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	No. Because that would mean admitting the elaborate pants-on-fire journey they led the voter on which landed them here...

To disentangle themselves from the EU in a way they would give the UK a clean break is not possible. Surely the electorate now know this..
May said Brexit meant Brexit, ha! She can not deliver it, nor can anyone else.. the rats around her just want her job.

This shenanigans is more about who has control and can keep the political rabble in place.. once control is established, whoever is in charge will turn and attempt to do the exact same: deliver a soft brexit..

[bowlie]

Mr. Tusk’s view (from Reuters)

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	Tusk tweeted: "Politicians come and go but the problems they have created for people remain. I can only regret that the idea of Brexit has not left with Davis and Johnson. But...who knows?" Tusk, a former Polish prime minister, is overseeing the negotiations with London on its departure and has been highly critical of Brexit. He has said in the past that Britons would be welcome to change their minds and stay in the European Union.

So it seems that Downing Street announced Boris' departure before he could finalise his resignation letter. You have to love the pettiness on display here.

Have I got news for you have just tweeted:

Theresa May unveils new-look cabinet.

[Blueangel]

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	Robert Peston‏Verified account @Peston For what it's worth, I am pretty sure crucial 48 letters from Tory MPs calling for a vote of confidence in @theresa_may's leadership have NOT been received by @Graham__Brady, chair of 1922 Tory backbench committee. And there won't be any announcement of a confidence vote tonight 9:12 am - 9 Jul 2018

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1016354476737822720

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	Also, how do you explain the apparent advantage of striking trade deals covering maybe 20% of UK exports (even if those can be even nearly as advantageous as those the EU could conclude) at the cost of an existing free trade deal covering 50%?

That’s going over the referendum debate all over again. Not going to bother with that, ta.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Again, more bollocks. Sovereignty - Ability to strike own trade deals (i.e. out of single market/customs union), Freedom to make own laws (out of jurisdiction of ECJ) Immigration - Out of FMOP. Really very simple stuff, that those desperate to remain keep trying to cloud.

No simple is definitely not what it is, it never was. But then again, you’ve never demonstrated any willingness to get to grips with the subject matter beyond repeating the sound bytes fed to you, so your assessment such as it is is not surprising.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	That’s going over the referendum debate all over again. Not going to bother with that, ta.

Ah you didn’t have an answer first time around either...

[Blueangel]

Is it too early for a 'who's going to be the next Conservative leader' thread?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Is it too early for a 'who's going to be the next Conservative leader' thread?

Sajid Javid.

[Blueangel]

I reckon you're right there, and he'd be a popular choice, but won't BoJo see this as his chance?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I reckon you're right there, and he'd be a popular choice, but won't BoJo see this as his chance?

Yep, his only chance, but he'll screw it up.

If, by any chance, Boris becomes PM, I am booking passage on the next intergalatic ship.

David Cameron needs winkling out from whatever table he's presumably hiding under before being made to sort out the mess he created. He basically rang the EU's doorbell and ran away shouting "it wasn't me, a big boy did it...".

[marton]

It is pathetic that two years after the vote there is so little agreement on what Brexit actually meant that some Cabinet ministers are resigning.

I cannot believe I come from such a f##kedup country.

I always thought such differences were traditionally resolved in private rooms filled with cigar smoke, glasses of port and bonhomie.

Today's approach means nobody scores any political points or advancement

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	David Cameron needs winkling out from whatever table he's presumably hiding under before being made to sort out the mess he created. He basically rang the EU's doorbell and ran away shouting "it wasn't me, a big boy did it...".

He's scuttled off to Nice. Twat.

[marton]

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	He's scuttled off to Nice. Twat.

The sounds of jealousy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSJ8h0w5wKI

Going well innit - strong and stable strong and stable. Hurrah.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	marton
	The sounds of jealousy!

Well, the mention of Nice certainly awoke a longing to travel here.

Not sure about the company I might bump into there, of course.

	Quote:	marton
	It is pathetic that two years after the vote there is so little agreement on what Brexit actually meant that some Cabinet ministers are resigning. I cannot believe I come from such a f##kedup country. I always thought such differences were traditionally resolved in private rooms filled with cigar smoke, glasses of port and bonhomie. Today's approach means nobody scores any political points or advancement

They can't advance politically or bridge the differences because the UK government are dominated by big business. They have sold off half the country to private companies and now have to tow the line.. many a lobbyist has woken up to the fact that hard Brexit will have an impact on their profits and so the pressure is being felt in Westminister. This broken mess runs deeper than we think..

Anyone know what Vince Cable is saying, or Corbyn? They both seem to be very quiet..

[marton]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	They can't advance politically or bridge the differences because the UK government are dominated by big business. They have sold off half the country to private companies and now have to tow the line.. many a lobbyist has woken up to the fact that hard Brexit will have an impact on their profits and so the pressure is being felt in Westminister. This broken mess runs deeper than we think.. Anyone know what Vince Cable is saying, or Corbyn? They both seem to be very quiet..

But if the the UK government was really dominated by big business then big business would long ago have been invited (with their cheque books) to the private rooms filled with cigar smoke, glasses of port and bonhomie to finalise the solution?
This would have cost big business only a fraction of what they are spending on Brexit plan B and plan C &&&