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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 09.07.2018, 21:05
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But if the the UK government was really dominated by big business then big business would long ago have been invited (with their cheque books) to the private rooms filled with cigar smoke, glasses of port and bonhomie to finalise the solution?
This would have cost big business only a fraction of what they are spending on Brexit plan B and plan C &&&
Ah, now.. the political class are still flirting with the idea they are in charge.

Theresa May's soft Brexit has proven to us they are anything but.
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I cannot believe I come from such a f##kedup country.

If it's any consolation to you Brits, just look at what's happening in Germany. There, the political class is also well on the way of self-destruction, leaving a vacuum that no-one knows how it will get filled (or rather: no one wants to know - because we've looked into that abyss before).

And on top of that, they completely botched the World Cup!
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No simple is definitely not what it is, it never was. But then again, you’ve never demonstrated any willingness to get to grips with the subject matter beyond repeating the sound bytes fed to you, so your assessment such as it is is not surprising.
It was simple, which is why Theresa May stated these positions both in her Chatham House speech and again in her manifesto at last year’s election. That she’s betrayed what she’s promised is not down to the EU, but rather her own party’s infighting.

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Old 09.07.2018, 22:13
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Jeremy Hunt is the new Boris Johnson.

Shares in popcorn must be going through the roof in the UK...
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It was simple, which is why Theresa May stated these positions both in her Chatham House speech and again in her manifesto at last year’s election. ThT she’s betrayed what she’s promised is not down to the EU, but rather her own party’s infighting.
Chatham House, she said
"as a priority, we will pursue a bold and ambitious Free Trade Agreement with the European Union.

This agreement should allow for the freest possible trade in goods and services between Britain and the EU's member states. It should give British companies the maximum freedom to trade with and operate within European markets "

And

"The same rules and laws will apply on the day after Brexit as they did before."

So what is different?
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Jeremy Hunt is the new Boris Johnson.

Shares in popcorn must be going through the roof in the UK...
It's a carnival. Too horrifying for words.
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Old 09.07.2018, 22:26
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Quick! Get us up to Downing street.. one of us could get a job.

Loz for the NHS
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It's a carnival. Too horrifying for words.
And Mad Uncle Donny will be there on Friday vomiting up his opinions. Good times..!
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Old 09.07.2018, 22:36
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Oh FFS! Let's see who the slithy tove can piss off on the International stage

Meanwhile, NHS the length of the country...

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Old 09.07.2018, 22:40
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And Mad Uncle Donny will be there on Friday vomiting up his opinions. Good times..!
Crikey! By Friday, they'll only be Mike...Sorry!... Jeremy Hunt and Sadiq Khan left to greet him.
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Old 09.07.2018, 22:57
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It was simple, which is why Theresa May stated these positions both in her Chatham House speech and again in her manifesto at last year’s election. ThT she’s betrayed what she’s promised is not down to the EU, but rather her own party’s infighting.
Two things really, first politicians lie and second she did not get the mandate to implement her manifesto so that got filed in the round filing cabinet. Now she has got to deal with the DUP to hold a majority in that sovereign parliament and that alone is anything but simple. Then add the party bickering and even bomb disposal begins to look simpler.
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Theresa May's soft Brexit has proven to us they are anything but.
Agreed. That just doesn't mean, let alone prove, big business is.
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David Cameron needs winkling out from whatever table he's presumably hiding under before being made to sort out the mess he created. He basically rang the EU's doorbell and ran away shouting "it wasn't me, a big boy did it...".
Great analogy.
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Old 10.07.2018, 08:46
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All the great offices of state now held by Remainers - PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary. The stitch up is almost complete. Ironically, it'll probably being the EU which ends up bringing Theresa May down, they know they can't possibly ask for more, but they will because it's the EU. Then they'll get to deal with Corbyn, happy days!

Here's Borris' letter in full:

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All the great offices of state now held by Remainers - PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary. The stitch up is almost complete. Ironically, it'll probably being the EU which ends up bringing Theresa May down, they know they can't possibly ask for more, but they will because it's the EU. Then they'll get to deal with Corbyn, happy days!

Here's Boris' letter in full:

Even before the referendum it was clear that it wasn't doable. At least not in the "Yes" "No" sledgehammer fashion they presented to the nation and with the almost 50/50 split of the vote.

It's just proving itself to be correct.

Had it been better executed by people who knew what they were doing, maybe it would have got through. Maybe.
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All the great offices of state now held by Remainers - PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary. The stitch up is almost complete. Ironically, it'll probably being the EU which ends up bringing Theresa May down, they know they can't possibly ask for more, but they will because it's the EU. Then they'll get to deal with Corbyn, happy days!

Here's Boris' letter in full:

For those who find those scans difficult to read, here the full text from the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tter-to-the-pm
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All the great offices of state now held by Remainers - PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary. The stitch up is almost complete. Ironically, it'll probably being the EU which ends up bringing Theresa May down, they know they can't possibly ask for more, but they will because it's the EU. Then they'll get to deal with Corbyn, happy days!

Here's Borris' letter in full:

The Right Honourable, lol.
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All the great offices of state now held by Remainers - PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary. The stitch up is almost complete. Ironically, it'll probably being the EU which ends up bringing Theresa May down, they know they can't possibly ask for more, but they will because it's the EU. Then they'll get to deal with Corbyn, happy days!

Here's Borris' letter in full:

Seems to be focusing on cyclist deaths in London, let us not forget what Boris said on this topic "Boris Johnson stated in an interview on BBC Radio that cyclists were endangering their lives when not following road traffic laws, making it "very difficult for the traffic engineers to second-guess [their actions]"
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Boris bailed out to save his own miserable political bacon, he never really wanted out of the EU, just jumped on the populist bandwagon to gain some political milage. Now he is claiming that he is resigning because the deals dont match the promises he made in the leave campaign. Its laughable because the promises he made would have been impossible to achieve if we, "the UK" are to have any sort of positive outcome in, trade, customs and immigration with the EU.


I think Boris assumes that Brittania will sail the seas again and be a global powerhouse without having to negotiate with the EU. I might be a Bremoaner, some here might be Bredreamers, but Boris is Breluded.
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