The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 619

fatmanfilms · #**12361** 13.07.2018, 12:26

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Its not really a fresh start, as we are already tied into all sorts of incredibly complicated trade contracts and deals that will just take time and money to renegotiate, with most possible outcomes being far worse for the UK. We don't have a leg to stand on, our bargaining chips are down and the EU knows it. It doesnt take a genius to figure that out. Now we are being held to ransome by Trump who is clumsily trying to sieze the opportunity to force Britain into a dangerous position by publicly stating that a soft Brexit will damage trade between the US and the UK. Of course no one will fall for those threats, simply because we already know that in any sort of EU exit, Trump will treat any trade deals between the US and the UK with an equal contempt.

If the US economy continues to flourish, Donald will get a second term & none of the Americans in my FB feed will admit to have voted for him twice!

#**12362** 13.07.2018, 12:40

	Quote:	dandi
	A fresh start doesn't mean you end up in a better place than where you are now. It just means you start all over again end end up god knows where. And if you think there is a some kind of conscience in the political class that will prevent making the same mistakes as have been done before, prepare to be seriously disappointed...

This. When I read the news this morning, I felt sick.. Trump has put power behind the impractical and impossible Boris 'n' Brexit. Hard Brexit is just a useful tool for politicians to polish their careers on, that is all.

No one can deliver a hard Brexit, May would be doing it already if it were possible.

The UK is better in the EU than half out, we all know this.. but yet we're knee high in BS and it is only going to get worse.

Blueangel · #**12363** 13.07.2018, 14:46

One of the many things that piss me off about May is, if a guest of mine had spoken about me as Trump has about her in an interview yesterday, and I knew about it before we sat down to dinner, I'd have called a taxi and sent him home immediately. No fuss. No showdown. Just 'goodbye'.

Chuff · #**12364** 13.07.2018, 15:22

	Quote:	Blueangel
	One of the many things that piss me off about May is, if a guest of mine had spoken about me as Trump has about her in an interview yesterday, and I knew about it before we sat down to dinner, I'd have called a taxi and sent him home immediately. No fuss. No showdown. Just 'goodbye'.

LOL at that post. You are not a Prime Minister and your guest would not be a President of the most powerful country in the world and our most important ally.

Blueangel · #**12365** 13.07.2018, 15:35

And you have entirely missed the point.

There's a lot of talk about respecting the office of POTUS. He has disrespected the PM by very publically saying that her arch rival would be better at the job than her.

bowlie · #**12366** 13.07.2018, 15:46

I wouldn’t have invited him in the first place, not to my country, not to my home.

What’s he going to do? Nothing worse is possible.

#**12367** 13.07.2018, 15:57

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And you have entirely missed the point. There's a lot of talk about respecting the office of POTUS. He has disrespected the PM by very publically saying that her arch rival would be better at the job than her.

It's almost as if a whole new series of Yes Prime Minister is being inadvertently written into real life...

MusicChick · #**12368** 13.07.2018, 16:05

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And you have entirely missed the point. There's a lot of talk about respecting the office of POTUS. He has disrespected the PM by very publically saying that her arch rival would be better at the job than her.

He was honest, direct and unpc. Exactly the traits that got him voted in. May probably expected it.

#**12369** 13.07.2018, 16:07

	Quote:	MusicChick
	He was direct and unpc. Exactly the traits that got him voted in. May probably expected it.

FTFY. One thing trump rarely is, is honest.

MusicChick · #**12370** 13.07.2018, 16:09

	Quote:
	FTFY. One thing trump rarely is, is honest.

I think he really believes what he said to May.

#**12371** 13.07.2018, 16:11

	Quote:	MusicChick
	I think he really believes what he said to May.

Even if he does, that's still not the same as honest.

#**12372** 13.07.2018, 16:13

	Quote:	MusicChick
	He was honest, direct and unpc. Exactly the traits that got him voted in. May probably expected it.

Actually, compared to your normally loose interpretation of "PC" and "UnPC", this time it's probably the literal definition of "UnPC" (politically incorrect).

Criticising the leader of the nation you are visiting and backing her disgraced rival is probably as close to face-palm "unpc" that you could get without actually dropping his pants and leaving a steaming turd on the steps of the House of Commons.

#**12373** 13.07.2018, 16:17

Haha! He has just backtracked and now supports May's Brexit.. so which truth is it? Or which lie?

Chuff · #**12374** 13.07.2018, 16:21

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And you have entirely missed the point. There's a lot of talk about respecting the office of POTUS. He has disrespected the PM by very publically saying that her arch rival would be better at the job than her.

What point is there to miss? It's not rocket science. Trump holds all of the cards and May is in a MUCH weaker position in the US vs UK relationship, so she essentially has little choice but to suffer and tolerate his Jekyll and Hyde nature.

Blueangel · #**12375** 13.07.2018, 16:28

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Haha! He has just backtracked and now supports May's Brexit.. so which truth is it? Or which lie?

We're in 'two gatekeepers' territory, which one is telling the truth? Trump or Trump?

For anyone who doesn't know, he gave an interview to The Sun, owned by his good buddy, Murdoch, yesterday. The recording of that interview has been widely broadcast across all the UK news channels today. The journalist who interviewed him has also been widely interviewed on live tv news programmes.

Now, Trump is saying that excerpts of that same interview are 'fake news'. Since when has that been the actions of a rational human being?

https://news.sky.com/story/protests-...queen-11435496

marton · #**12376** 13.07.2018, 16:36

	Quote:	Blueangel
	We're in 'two gatekeepers' territory, which one is telling the truth? Trump or Trump? For anyone who doesn't know, he gave an interview to The Sun, owned by his good buddy, Murdoch, yesterday. The recording of that interview has been widely broadcast across all the UK news channels today. The journalist who interviewed him has also been widely interviewed on live tv news programmes. Now, Trump is saying that excerpts of that same interview are 'fake news'. Since when has that been the actions of a rational human being? https://news.sky.com/story/protests-...queen-11435496

Some of these old guys have very poor short term memories despite passing a cognitive test!

marton · #**12377** 13.07.2018, 16:46

	Quote:	Blueangel
	We're in 'two gatekeepers' territory, which one is telling the truth? Trump or Trump? For anyone who doesn't know, he gave an interview to The Sun, owned by his good buddy, Murdoch, yesterday. The recording of that interview has been widely broadcast across all the UK news channels today. The journalist who interviewed him has also been widely interviewed on live tv news programmes. Now, Trump is saying that excerpts of that same interview are 'fake news'. Since when has that been the actions of a rational human being? https://news.sky.com/story/protests-...queen-11435496

Here the audio recording of the interview with Trump

here.

TobiasM · #**12378** 13.07.2018, 18:29

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And you have entirely missed the point. There's a lot of talk about respecting the office of POTUS. He has disrespected the PM by very publically saying that her arch rival would be better at the job than her.

That’s point she’s a wet blanket, only got to be pm because no one else was prepared to commit political and historical suicide by leading the country into certain failure. I am still gobsmacked there are people on this forum, let alone. in Britain who feel that leaving the EU is a good thing? And May is clinging to some superficial promises that the US will bolster trade! Yeah, right, as long as we take billions of dollars of mass produced antibiotic filled beef and chlorinated chickens.

bowlie · #**12379** 13.07.2018, 18:39

	Quote:	TobiasM
	That’s point she’s a wet blanket, only got to be pm because no one else was prepared to commit political and historical suicide by leading the country into certain failure. I am still gobsmacked there are people on this forum, let alone. in Britain who feel that leaving the EU is a good thing? And May is clinging to some superficial promises that the US will bolster trade! Yeah, right, as long as we take billions of dollars of mass produced antibiotic filled beef and chlorinated chickens.

Don’t forget unlabelled GM products.

marton · #**12380** 13.07.2018, 18:51

	Quote:	bowlie
	I think the years of negotiations is a very big clue. And I believe both parties are of the view that the agreement is in their interest. A win-win. Unlike Brexit which is a lose-lose.

Anyway no longer relevant!

	Quote:
	Italy will not ratify the EU’s free trade agreement with Canada, the Italian deputy prime minister has said, potentially scuppering the bloc’s biggest deal in years. “Soon CETA [Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement] will arrive in parliament and this majority will reject it and it will not ratify it,” Luigi Di Maio said at a farmers’ association gathering in Rome on Friday.

Source

Of course he is a politician so the rejection will probably not occur.