The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Trump has the best chance for a second term if the democrats manage to find a terrible candidate like Hillary again. There are not too many of such hated people though

Surprising how many people manage to ignore the fact Hillary won the popular vote?
I am not posting Hillary was a great candidate but she did win the popular vote!

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It's wishful thinking & also believing the result would be any different. Remember opinion polls before the vote showed a landslide to remain. I suspect Trump will get a second term as the economy is booming yet nobody will tell you they voted for him.

Eh? Which polls were you looking at? In the final days before the vote, everything from YouGov to the bookies were almost neck and neck with a slight majority to Remain. No landslide anywhere.

[marton]

As this thread is already often off topic

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	Andrew Griffiths, the minister for small business, has resigned from the government after being found to have sent more than 2,000 explicit messages to two women in his constituency.

Source

I suppose some people will claim this is to divert attention from Brexit?

Latest polls have the Torys haemorrhaging voters following the Chequers based white paper. As it stands Theresa May will never be able to get it through parliament. Question is now how long she’ll last?

[bowlie]

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	Eh? Which polls were you looking at? In the final days before the vote, everything from YouGov to the bookies were almost neck and neck with a slight majority to Remain. No landslide anywhere.

I recall it was considered that the remain side would win with a small majority. Just enough so that many people (on both sides) chose not to bother to show up to vote as it was a fait accompli. 1/3 of the electorate abstained.

Any further referendums should require 50% (plus 1) of the electorate to pass.

[Urs Max]

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	Some do. Like everything in that cocked-up kingdom, it's complicated. Irish citizens can vote at all elections. EU citizens can vote at some elections. I think there might be special consideration for some Commonwealth citizens too, but I can't be bothered to look it up.

Ifind it interesting that you're the only one who answers. Does that mean people don't know in general? Including EF board members, who supposedly are better educated than the British average?

Anyway, your remark on Eire surprised and simultaneously intrigued me so I
looked it up:
"Citizens of the Republic of Ireland and Commonwealth citizens, including those from Malta and Cyprus, have the same voting rights as British citizens. [..] they are able to register to vote in respect of all UK elections, [..]"

Since this wasn't an election: Were they àllowed to vote on Brexit?

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	marton
	As this thread is already often off topic Source I suppose some people will claim this is to divert attention from Brexit?

At times, his attention was quite certainly diverted from Brexit.

[bowlie]

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	Since this wasn't an election: Were they àllowed to vote on Brexit?

Yes, but EU nationals (and UK nationals non-resident for 15 years) were not.

And the UK national denied a vote that is closest to me has paid a substantial amount of tax to the exchequer in the period she has been a non-resident.

Some kid on a student work visa from Barbuda, New Zealand or Canada gets a vote, but all British citizens do not.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	As it stands Theresa May will never be able to get it through parliament. Question is now how long she’ll last?

She's literally on the knife edge now...

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	Total number of seats 650 Working Government Majority *0

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-...f-the-parties/

Some of my mates have been running a 'dead pool' of which Tory MP is next to pop their clogs, but stories like the one concerning the Tory MP for Burton aren't any help to the party. Can he keep his seat at all after this? https://news.sky.com/story/minister-...expos-11437435

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Some kid on a student work visa from Barbuda, New Zealand or Canada gets a vote, but all British citizens do not.

I know people who are Commonwealth passport holders, and who haven't lived in the UK for a number of years, who voted in the referendum. One of these people only lived in the UK for 6 of his 58yrs, and hasn't lived there for the last 12yrs.

Also, in 2013 I moved to Windsor constituency and voted there in the 2015 G.E. Due to a clerical error, I still received a ballot paper in my home town. After calling the elections office twice and changing my details again in writing to make sure this wouldn't happen again, I still received ballot papers for the EU referendum and the 2017 G.E. at my home town address, despite being sent a postal ballot by Windsor. The system is screwed.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	She's literally on the knife edge now... https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-...f-the-parties/ Some of my mates have been running a 'dead pool' of which Tory MP is next to pop their clogs, but stories like the one concerning the Tory MP for Burton aren't any help to the party. Can he keep his seat at all after this? https://news.sky.com/story/minister-...expos-11437435

Time for a General Election. Get rid of the Vichy government currently in power, and get rid of socialism for a generation. Once the young experience the horrors of a Corbyn government they’ll never vote for a socialist again.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Time for a General Election. Get rid of the Vichy government currently in power, and get rid of socialism for a generation. Once the young experience the horrors of a Corbyn government they’ll never vote for a socialist again.

‘The young’ have been experiencing the horrors of the past 8 years under this current shower of shit. Corbyn might not be the solution but you could forgive people for wanting a change.

Maybe it’s something the nation has to go through. The Tory circus will only have brought it upon itself.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I recall it was considered that the remain side would win with a small majority. Just enough so that many people (on both sides) chose not to bother to show up to vote as it was a fait accompli. 1/3 of the electorate abstained. Any further referendums should require 50% (plus 1) of the electorate to pass.

Remember we did not join the EU on 50% of the electorate plus 1, there was not even a vote. No need to change the rules from 50% plus 1 million votes in this case it's a clear majority as a General Election would have been a landslide.

Let's keep busy slagging-off someone who is not in power, rather than deal with the Locust party that strip out anything worth having to surreptitiously sell off to the highest bidder with no accountability to the British public..

Yes, more daily mail philosophy of shite please.. we don't get enough.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Yes, but EU nationals (and UK nationals non-resident for 15 years) were not.

Why should they (EU nationals)? They're not HRM's underlings after all.

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	‘The young’ have been experiencing the horrors of the past 8 years under this current shower of shit.

“The horrors of the last 8 years” lol

	Quote:	Loz1983
	“The horrors of the last 8 years” lol

Don’t forget you’ve probably got your 30-something expat in Switzerland goggles on.

All rosy boom times, aren’t they?

[MusicChick]

Royal times.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	“The horrors of the last 8 years” lol

Yep. Cost of living hikes, pay freezes amounting to pay cuts in reality... public sector conditions worsening... But if that amuses you, carry on...

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	"Citizens of the Republic of Ireland and Commonwealth citizens, including those from Malta and Cyprus, have the same voting rights as British citizens. [..] they are able to register to vote in respect of all UK elections, [..]" Since this wasn't an election: Were they àllowed to vote on Brexit?

Whatever about the rest, once you start digging into the relationship between Ireland and the UK, you will find all kinds of exceptions. The Irish constitution was changed by a majority of 75% to allow UK citizens to vote in Irish elections and so the UK reciprocates for UK elections.

You will also find that there are arrangements to recognize citizens of each state to be permanent resident in the other state from the date of arrival thus qualifying them for most benefits etc.

And so on...