The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

Professor Chris Grey:

The world is now divided into 4: US, EU, China, Russia. UK has to choose its place and there's only one logical choice. There's about three months left to get it right. It's as stark as that.

full strong and even above equal partners in the EU, or vassals of the USA. Get rid of the rule book of the EU, to hve the USA's imposed, on workers' rights, human rights, environment, animal welfare/antiotics/feeds, environment, Co2 emissions, and so so much more- and with very little return.

Get back control and countries will queue up to give us Trade Deals, and it will all be sooo simple and easy.

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	Professor Chris Grey: The world is now divided into 4: US, EU, China, Russia. UK has to choose its place and there's only one logical choice. There's about three months left to get it right. It's as stark as that.

Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia...

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia...

Ahh yeah let’s align with Tahiti and the Solomons, that’ll pay dividends, think of all the pearls we could trade, they do that there, they are trading nations.

I believe it’s about aligning oneself with a suitable large economic superpower that’s going to help ones credibility, Britain seems to have lost most of it recently.

For someone who didn’t vote on this, you seem to have a lot of opinions about it!

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	Ahh yeah let’s align with Tahiti and the Solomons, that’ll pay dividends, think of all the pearls we could trade, they do that there, they are trading nations.

Pssst... it's a literary reference.

[TobiasM]

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	Pssst... it's a literary reference.

Duh! me. *grabs coat*

[marton]

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	Pssst... it's a fictional literary reference.

ftfy
So nothing to do with the real world although the real world is slowly moving towards the fictional world Orwell described. For example, the controversy involving Kellyanne Conway using the phrase "alternative facts" to explain discrepancies with the media

	Quote:	marton
	ftfy So nothing to do with the real world although the real world is slowly moving towards the fictional world Orwell described. For example, the controversy involving Kellyanne Conway using the phrase "alternative facts" to explain discrepancies with the media

I love having the bleeding obvious explained to me.

[Blueangel]

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	Pssst... it's a literary reference.

Despite that, just meandering down this route for a moment...

Something I don't understand in all this talk about Worldwide trade deals is, the clients I used to work for in business travel, had a carbon footprint calculator that they submitted, and was used to calculate certain corporate taxes. Apparently, none of this matters anymore when it becomes inconvenient for the government's future plans for the economy. I'd be wanting all that tax refunded.

https://www.gov.uk/green-taxes-and-r...ssions-trading

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...energy-league/

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	Yep. Cost of living hikes, pay freezes amounting to pay cuts in reality... public sector conditions worsening... But if that amuses you, carry on...

Hardly horrific (and hardly true). The last socialist government resulted in children doing homework by candlelight, corpses left unburied and mountains of rubbish accumulating in the streets.

Today's kids can organise sex with a swipe on their smart phone and get their teacher fired misgendering pupils.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Today's kids can organise sex with a swipe on their smart phone and get their teacher fired misgendering pupils.

You've officially turned into your grandad.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Professor Chris Grey: The world is now divided into 4: US, EU, China, Russia. UK has to choose its place and there's only one logical choice. There's about three months left to get it right. It's as stark as that. full strong and even above equal partners in the EU, or vassals of the USA. Get rid of the rule book of the EU, to hve the USA's imposed, on workers' rights, human rights, environment, animal welfare/antiotics/feeds, environment, Co2 emissions, and so so much more- and with very little return. Get back control and countries will queue up to give us Trade Deals, and it will all be sooo simple and easy.

I assume you mean the US is the logical choice, we speak the same language & our economy historically matches their ups & downs.

[MusicChick]

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	I assume you mean the US is the logical choice, we speak the same language & our economy historically matches their ups & downs.

I also have a feeling Trump's visits are pretty much only about trade. Even meetings with somebody seemingly unrelated, Korean dictator, etc. is done to support/protect trade. People who don't see the motives and are still being distracted by Trump's theatrics might be surprised if/when he gets voted in again. Nobody else is doing as much as him to support the US trade and it is his election campaign already.

[marton]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	I also have a feeling Trump's visits are pretty much only about trade. Even meetings with somebody seemingly unrelated, Korean dictator, etc. is done to support/protect trade. People who don't see the motives and are still being distracted by Trump's theatrics might be surprised if/when he gets voted in again. Nobody else is doing as much as him to support the US trade and it is his election campaign already.

You mean apart from starting a trade war

	Quote:	MusicChick
	I also have a feeling Trump's visits are pretty much only about trade. Even meetings with somebody seemingly unrelated, Korean dictator, etc. is done to support/protect trade. People who don't see the motives and are still being distracted by Trump's theatrics might be surprised if/when he gets voted in again. Nobody else is doing as much as him to support the US trade and it is his election campaign already.

He has no appreciation of facts, so they aren't factfinding.

He has no appreciation of culture, so they aren't cultural.

He has no appreciation of diplomacy, so they aren't diplomatic.

Trade is pretty much all that's left, but since he's slapping tariffs hither and thither on countries he couldn't even point to on a map, I'd say they are just to allow people in America to get on with some work for a week or two instead of having to babysit him.

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	Hardly horrific (and hardly true). The last socialist government resulted in children doing homework by candlelight, corpses left unburied and mountains of rubbish accumulating in the streets. Today's kids can organise sex with a swipe on their smart phone and get their teacher fired misgendering pupils.

You ‘lol’ my comment then come out with this gem. LOL backatcha

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	You ‘lol’ my comment then come out with this gem. LOL backatcha

That was the idea.

This is significant. DB's prediction that the UK will never leave the EU may well be just about to happen. Many politicians have been trying to stop Brexit from day one, this looks to be phase two of the plan. Brexiteer MPs need to be careful here.

Justine Greening calls for second Brexit referendum

[MusicChick]

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	He has no appreciation of facts, so they aren't factfinding. He has no appreciation of culture, so they aren't cultural. He has no appreciation of diplomacy, so they aren't diplomatic. Trade is pretty much all that's left, but since he's slapping tariffs hither and thither on countries he couldn't even point to on a map, I'd say they are just to allow people in America to get on with some work for a week or two instead of having to babysit him.

Since when were politics ever about something else than trade? Trump's idea of politics is making the US pick up economic growth. When you have that, you can start spending on what have you: culture, etc. You cannot protect anything without means. Some countries live with austerity measures built in in their cultures/history, CH is a prime example. And even here culture and diplomacy started being a priority only when there were actual funds to back them up. Funds first, then spending them wisely.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This is significant. DB's prediction that the UK will never leave the EU may well be just about to happen. Many politicians have been trying to stop Brexit from day one, this looks to be phase two of the plan. Brexiteer MPs need to be careful here. Justine Greening calls for second Brexit referendum

I doubt an obscure back bench MP will influence anything; nice as a second referendum would be.

	Quote:	MusicChick
	Since when were politics ever about something else than trade?

War? Migration? Alliances? Not everything can be condensed into your black and white view of the world, although this does explain the mindset of the Trump voter, it seems. Nuance is for communists.